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How about a general discussion forum that is not aviation related?

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Any chance we could do this? I know politics might get in the way, in which case, you might have to split that off to another one and make a formal code of conduct for both (e.g., no personal attacks, no porn, don't dox people, et cetera). 

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There are many other online groups for non-aviation related discussions.  They don't belong here.

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21 minutes ago, neilpilot said:

There are many other online groups for non-aviation related discussions.  They don't belong here.

I agree, this site is for aviation topics, more specific Mooney related topics and we should not dilute or pollute it.

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In these divided times, I too think that I'd like to think of ya'll as friends who love aviation as much as I do and that is what we have in common.   To see non-aviation subjects lines in the "Recent Posts" section when I log into MS would be counter to one of the things that I like about hanging out here!  I suspect many others would feel the same way.

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1 hour ago, FloridaMan said:

Any chance we could do this? I know politics might get in the way, in which case, you might have to split that off to another one and make a formal code of conduct for both (e.g., no personal attacks, no porn, don't dox people, et cetera). 

I don't think it would work any better here than the old "Spin Zone" did for POA. Note that it disappeared well prior to the 2016 election, which the losers have still not gotten over . . .

That's all I have to say about a non-aviation section, and the end of my politics.

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To be honest, I gave up on PoA, the red board and any other forum where non-topic related topics were allowed. Too easy for the emotions to be carried out of the designated thread. As Hank mentioned, PoA tried it and I think after enough “Your momma!” insults were tossed around, they shut it down.




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I only visit here and BT for my aviation fix, and don't want to ruin the great signal to noise ratio we have presently.

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4 hours ago, Hank said:

I don't think it would work any better here than the old "Spin Zone" did for POA. Note that it disappeared well prior to the 2016 election, which the losers have still not gotten over . . .

That's all I have to say about a non-aviation section, and the end of my politics.

I dunno, what happened to democraticunderground on election day was the stuff of legends. 

 

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1 hour ago, KSMooniac said:

I only visit here and BT for my aviation fix, and don't want to ruin the great signal to noise ratio we have presently.

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Same. 

BT does have a Babble Talk section for non-related discussions, but the Jeff's carry a pretty big stick and politics are a no-no that will get yourself put in the penalty box if you violate the rules.  Anything else goes.  It has come in handy because there is a lot of experience on the forum in just about all fields of work.  Ask a question about household electric issues and someone will be able to help.  Need help with tax or legal questions, plenty of those professional types there too.  It can be a handy place to ask questions.

One thing I love about their site is you can "ignore" topics that you're not interested in and it helps cut down the noise when reviewing recent posts.  Makes it a lot easier to follow the discussions that I'm interested in.  Wish Mooneyspace had that feature.  ;)

I gave up on POA about 3 years ago after a few "all knowing" types took over and started policing everyone's operations. :rolleyes:

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On 1/9/2019 at 11:36 AM, FloridaMan said:

Any chance we could do this? I know politics might get in the way, in which case, you might have to split that off to another one and make a formal code of conduct for both (e.g., no personal attacks, no porn, don't dox people, et cetera). 

Sure, how about we call that section "the rest of the internet" and keep mooneyspace about mooneys and aviation?

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While I completely agree best to leave all the non aviation subjects to the rest of the Internet. However, I have to say some of the most entertaining threads on MS were the ones that got locked by admin.  

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about 15 years ago, this same thing came up on the aviating.com list serve. Javier Henderson created a separate list for everyone to do their "ranting" on called MooneyTalk. It is still alive and well if you care to join it and raise hell there.

http://lists.aviating.com/mailman/listinfo/mooney-talk

 

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On 1/9/2019 at 5:29 PM, FloridaMan said:

I dunno, what happened to democraticunderground on election day was the stuff of legends. 

 

And that comment is why anything non-aviation related here is a really bad idea.

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Just now, alextstone said:

And that comment is why anything non-aviation related here is a really bad idea.

BTW, I also long for the days when there were no landing fees at smaller airports and fuel was under $2.00 a gallon as well.

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On 1/9/2019 at 1:20 PM, Fred_2O said:

In these divided times, I too think that I'd like to think of ya'll as friends who love aviation as much as I do and that is what we have in common.   To see non-aviation subjects lines in the "Recent Posts" section when I log into MS would be counter to one of the things that I like about hanging out here!  I suspect many others would feel the same way.

At his final HBO show of the season,  Bill Maher (not known for his mild, polite political commentary) told his audience the best thing they could do over the holidays is not talk about politics. He noted that politics and religion were once verbotten topics among friends and, until we started violating that rule, we didn't know how much we hated each other. 

Why screw up a good thing?

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My only beef is that the policy isn't enforced.  I seem to remember a recent topic about a wedding that had nothing to do with aviation and should have been pulled for violating the non aviation policy, but wasn't.  Either enforce the ban on non-aviation threads for ALL topics or add a separate place for non-aviation discussions that the rest of us can avoid! 

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My only beef is that the policy isn't enforced.  I seem to remember a recent topic about a wedding that had nothing to do with aviation and should have been pulled for violating the non aviation policy, but wasn't.  Either enforce the ban on non-aviation threads for ALL topics or add a separate place for non-aviation discussions that the rest of us can avoid! 


Pilots of America tried this and it became a call out place for people who weren’t even in the thread. The “spin zone” I think is dead.

“Little Timmy” probably predates you joining the forum. He created a lot of issues here resulting in people getting banned and some members just leaving and never coming back.

As for the non-aviation content, I think we all post stuff from time to time that can be considered non-aviation related. And I don’t think that is the issue. Heck, we even have had arguments on aviation related topics. When it becomes vindictive or the PC line is crossed is when the problems begin.

The wedding you were referring to was a Mooney owner letting us he got married. Many of us know Andrew personally and were happy for him. And unfortunately your point came true. We had one participant in that thread who voiced his opinion about same sex marriages and the thread got ugly. And the person who posted it hasn’t been on since.

I think for the most part we are a self governing group. So unlike some of the other forums.


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I did not follow the thread as I didn't know the OP and it wasn't relative to my flying.  I just now went back to see what you were referring to and those "problem" comments have been removed.  I still have no idea what was said, and by the replies he received, I don't really want to.

I still stand by my comment that the entire thread should have been removed as it wasn't aviation related in any way shape or form.  I don't find it appropriate to post info about his wedding anymore than I would find it appropriate to post info about my son winning the county spelling bee (who many on here have also met).  It's simply not aviation related and does not belong.  Those exciting life moments would be better shared through PM's with friends, than through the entire community.  To do otherwise is only an open invitation to the type of replies that most on this thread are trying to avoid.

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A few years ago, the creator of the "Little Timmy" thread petitioned the administrators to create exactly the type of category requested in this thread.  It lasted less than a week, and was mostly the same 5 people talking at each other.

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2 hours ago, skydvrboy said:

My only beef is that the policy isn't enforced.  I seem to remember a recent topic about a wedding that had nothing to do with aviation and should have been pulled for violating the non aviation policy, but wasn't.  Either enforce the ban on non-aviation threads for ALL topics or add a separate place for non-aviation discussions that the rest of us can avoid! 

Keep in mind the costs involved in having every post reviewed... or edited or thrown out... they are real.  It takes real people getting paid real dollars...

MS costs are appropriately low. We are a pretty small community...

Adding costs for the extra service won’t be greatly appreciated...

 

Note the people that give money to support the community are indicated by ‘supporter’ badge. It’s a small dollar event.

Often CFIs and mechanics give their expertise, often.

There are no hard rules of what can or can’t be posted.  That would require paying somebody to write them... update them... and others to read and abide by them...

So... if you want to increase the price so we can have adult supervision... try starting that thread...?  :)

There are some really strange posts that come up. Some wish they never saw...

Mom always said... you take the good with the bad... get an eyeful of the twisted pair, or any of Marauder’s girls...

Keep in mind, when taken too far, too often... enough of the community will put an end to the posts...

There really are limits to freedom of speech... you can’t yell Movie in a crowded fire house...  ? :)

Also, if you haven’t seen the donate button... it’s at the bottom of the page.

We tried to hire one of Marauder’s girls to be a monitor, but we couldn’t find the pay with food option... she wanted too much!

If you think there was sexism or otherisms, Marauder’s girls would change color, shape, creed, whatever was needed...

The worst part of the thread mentioned...

We lost a few people that were very supportive of the community. Including the people that were involved with the offending thread...

We can’t afford the losses...

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3 minutes ago, carusoam said:

 

We tried to hire one of Marauder’s girls to be a monitor, but we couldn’t find the pay with food option... she wanted too much!

 

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21 minutes ago, carusoam said:

Keep in mind the costs involved in having every post reviewed... or edited or thrown out... they are real.  It takes real people getting paid real dollars...

Totally agree.  I wouldn't expect the moderator to review any posts unless they were flagged. 

My mom always said... sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.  As a libertarian, I'm pretty tolerant of just about anything anyone wants to say or do as long as they aren't physically harming someone else.  However, I'm not an anarchist.  If there are rules they need to be evenly enforced, not selectively enforced.

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Rules of appropriateness change accross the community...

We have a cross section of people that is tremendous... :)

  • Men and Women
  • Teens to Octogenarians
  • East to West from Asia to Eastern Europe
  • North to south from Canada to Brazil
  • All races, religions, of all types of people are welcomed here
  • And more... 

Often mistakes are perceived more than actual... It is a challenge to write in a way that is understandable to everyone in the community

For the most part, forgiveness always works... People make mistakes... apologies work, when you write something that gets misunderstood...

Statistically more mistakes occur late on weekends...

I know pretty quickly when I make mistakes...

  • somebody will send a PM...
  • another may write something publicly...

Try to not make mistakes, try to be forgiving, take constructive criticism when offered...

Nobody is on the payroll to clean up after us...

If you need to... edit your post... appologize... move on...

We are all here to learn Mooney related stuff from each other. :)

Best regards,

-a-

 

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4 hours ago, skydvrboy said:

I did not follow the thread as I didn't know the OP and it wasn't relative to my flying.  I just now went back to see what you were referring to and those "problem" comments have been removed.  I still have no idea what was said, and by the replies he received, I don't really want to.

I still stand by my comment that the entire thread should have been removed as it wasn't aviation related in any way shape or form.  I don't find it appropriate to post info about his wedding anymore than I would find it appropriate to post info about my son winning the county spelling bee (who many on here have also met).  It's simply not aviation related and does not belong.  Those exciting life moments would be better shared through PM's with friends, than through the entire community.  To do otherwise is only an open invitation to the type of replies that most on this thread are trying to avoid.

 

3 hours ago, skydvrboy said:

Totally agree.  I wouldn't expect the moderator to review any posts unless they were flagged. 

My mom always said... sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.  As a libertarian, I'm pretty tolerant of just about anything anyone wants to say or do as long as they aren't physically harming someone else.  However, I'm not an anarchist.  If there are rules they need to be evenly enforced, not selectively enforced.

Neither of these posts are aviation related, therefore by your own "rules" they do not belong on MS and should be deleted.  Have a nice day!

 

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