uAvionix and the sky Beacon ADSB this morning

[cliffy]

Just got this this morning for an update

https://mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.src=ym&reason=myc#6316486147

[DualRatedFlyer]

Think that's a like to your mailbox

[Mooneymite]

See my post on the ADS B resource thread.

[bob865]

November 15, 2018

skyBeacon STC Update

This is a jam-packed newsletter full of BIG NEWS. Grab a cup of coffee, here is what's in store:   skyBeacon STC data package accepted by FAA with 272 aircraft AML Shipping by the end of November How to get skyBeacon installed Wingtip fairing adapters tailBeacon update Starboard options - skyLight and skySensor

STC Data Submitted to FAA   Its been just over 2 months since we announced skyBeacon received its 5 TSOs. At the time, we thought the STC was just a couple of weeks away...   We keep on learning. Our initial STC flight turned up an issue we hadn't previously discovered. It's resolved now, but it resulted in a TSO minor modification, subsequent test flights, and finally another STC flight. Despite rumors or speculation to the contrary, the delay has been of our own making, and has nothing to do with our dispute with a competitor. The data package has been accepted by the FAA and we are now awaiting signatures.   Check out the STC flight path on the right.   During that two month period, we've received thousands of calls, emails, and social media posted questions asking for status. Also during that period, FAA relaunched its $500 rebate program - which just ratcheted up the intensity of the inquiries.   Thank you for your patience. We are confident it will be worth the wait. The wait is nearly over.   We will begin to ship the TSO/STC product to our customers and trusted resellers as soon as we receive the final signatures from the FAA by the end of November. Go reserve your $500 rebate slot with confidence and order your skyBeacon today!

How do I Install skyBeacon? What's the AML? Will it fit on my.......?   Close behind the mass of questions regarding our shipping dates, installation and fitment questions are a very close second.   Which aircraft are covered by the STC?   Surprise! The STC will include an extensive Approved Model List (AML), containing 272 aircraft models from Cessna, Piper, Beechcraft, American Champion, Maule, Boeing, Swift, Mooney, Aviat, and others. This is the single largest AML for any UAT ADS-B solution.   The full AML can be accessed here.   What if my aircraft is not on the AML?   Good news! Under FAA Memo titled "Installation Approval for ADS-B OUT Systems," the FAA explains that after an STC is achieved for ADS-B OUT equipment, additional installations can be accomplished with an A&P with Inspection Authorization (IA) so long as the installation does not require airframe modification. This process requires completion of a form called FAA Form 337 MAJOR REPAIR AND ALTERATION. We are providing guidance with a sample skyBeacon Form 337 here and will post on our website once we begin shipping to make the process easier. We have more info on this on our FAQ on the skyBeacon product page. Also see the sidebar from an article from AEA in Avionics Magazine.     OK, but WILL IT FIT ON MY AIRPLANE?   This is the generally the hardest question to answer, since we don't have the details of every aircraft wingtip shape out there, and we don't know if your aircraft has been modified with upgraded wingtips, etc.   We need your help with this one. We have provided a to-scale mounting template. Print it out and check for yourself, then please let us know if it works for you, so we can answer the question for the next pilot.   We do have some additional adapters to make skyBeacon more applicable to more aircraft with our wingtip fairing adapters. See more on this in the next section below.   Finally, take a photo, post on social media, and tag it with #beaconinstalls and #screwadsbonyourwing to help us show off!

Watch the 30 second installation video above.

Wingtip Fairing Adapters   In order to make skyBeacon more accessible to more aircraft - we've developed two wingtip fairing adapters. These adapters aren't quite ready to ship just yet, but will be available shortly for only $100 each. We expect to be shipping these by the end of the year.

What about tailBeacon???   One thing we've learned from all of your questions, is that tailBeacon is going to be very popular. One reason for this is that there is some uncertainly of whether skyBeacon will fit your wingtip, and a second reason is because you may be looking for symmetry with a matching right-side light.   We've tried to address both items in this newsletter. With the AML and fairing adapters, we have tried to address the fitment questions. See the next section for some news on our skyLight matching right side light.   tailBeacon IS coming, but has been delayed due to the delays for skyBeacon. We've communicated previously that tailBeacon is a spin-off of the skyBeacon certification - so necessarily we needed to complete the STC first. tailBeacon is the next priority.   We still expect to achieve the tailBeacon TSO by the end of the year, but the STC will likely push into early Q1 of 2019. The STC can present some interesting challenges due to its installation on a control surface. We will get there, but if you are anxious about reserving your $500 rebate while the FAA funding still lasts - your best bet is to go with skyBeacon.

Finally, what about my starboard side options? I want a matching light!   We hear you. We've felt it most important to focus on the products that help you meet your mandate deadline, and we will be following up with starboard side options.   For the experimental/LSA aircraft owners - we already offer skySensor - a starboard side ADS-B IN receiver and position/strobe light. Currently these are available online and through our resellers.   We will not be certifying skySensor, but we will be producing a certified starboard side matching light called skyLight in Q1. We will be offering bundle pricing, but will extend the discount to customers who have already purchased skyBeacon. Reserve your rebate, get skyBeacon installed - don't wait for skyLight - we'll get it taken care of for you.

[bob865]

The last section about the skySensor not getting certification really disappointed me.  I wanted so badly to have a matched pair with ADS-B in and out.

Are there any provisions or ways to install experimental equipment on a certified plane?  I'm thinking maybe NORSEE (non required safety enhancing equipment)?  

I'm thinking the problem with the NORSEE approach is the nav light IS required equipment.

[Marauder]

2 hours ago, nosky2high said:

skyBeacon is ready to be shipped according to the company email update today, if you have preordered there is a link to update your order info so they can get your delivery slot lined up.

great news for us looking for an affordable adsb out option.

Any updates on the lawsuit with Garmin?

[HRM]

48 minutes ago, nosky2high said:

uAvionix got their patent so it looks like the lawsuit isn’t slowing things down.

Their patent is on their system, the lawsuit, IIRC, is on the data transfer protocols (that Garmin allegedly has the patent on).

[Marauder]

51 minutes ago, HRM said:

Their patent is on their system, the lawsuit, IIRC, is on the data transfer protocols (that Garmin allegedly has the patent on).

That is the way I read the lawsuit as well. Worst case situation they uphold Garmin's patent and Uavionix gets a cease & desist on selling these. Another possibility is a licensing by Garmin that will drive up the cost. 

[nightmoves]

Has anyone actually received their units? I have less than 3 weeks to complete my verification flight for the rebate and I'm starting to suspect I will miss the deadline. There are a couple of commenters on Youtube stating their units are in-hand.

[Piloto]

How do you keep it from getting it stolen on the ramp?

 

[Andy95W]

3 minutes ago, Piloto said:

How do you keep it from getting it stolen on the ramp?

 

This question was already answered in a related thread.

[cliffy]

 would have thought they would have had to refer to prior art in the granting of their patent

[EricJ]

2 hours ago, cliffy said:

 would have thought they would have had to refer to prior art in the granting of their patent

Why?

Searching prior art is actually the job of the patent office when you make the application.   It's pretty much the only thing they do during the process.

[Piloto]

A novel idea but I would rather have a panel mounted unit not subject to humidity or sun rays. As time goes by outside exposure causes premature aging as indicated by the paint on your plane. 

[HRM]

5 hours ago, Piloto said:

How do you keep it from getting it stolen on the ramp?

 

HAH! That same question came up on another aircraft forum!

[cliffy]

My point exactly  When they filed, prior art would have been mentioned for them to answer to. If it infringed they wouldn't have been granted their patent.

Patent holders get lots of mailings about new filings and grants that might infringe from all sorts of entities. I used to get them. Some patent holders sue at the drop of a hat to scare off any competition.

BTW mine just got here today :-)

Still the cheapest easiest way to go ADSB   and you get new pretty lights in the bargain.

[EricJ]

2 hours ago, cliffy said:

My point exactly  When they filed, prior art would have been mentioned for them to answer to. If it infringed they wouldn't have been granted their patent.

Patent holders get lots of mailings about new filings and grants that might infringe from all sorts of entities. I used to get them. Some patent holders sue at the drop of a hat to scare off any competition.

In my experience the searches that the patent office does aren't that comprehensive or even necessarily well-targeted.    The first notice of infringement is often a contact from the holder or their attorney.

 

[cliffy]

Patent Law  a big industry!

[N201MKTurbo]

A patent gives you the right to sue someone in the future for infringing on your patent, it doesn’t stop someone who has a prior patent from suing you for infringing. Happens all the time. Whoever has the most lawyers wins.

[Drumstick]

15 hours ago, cliffy said:

My point exactly  When they filed, prior art would have been mentioned for them to answer to. If it infringed they wouldn't have been granted their patent.

Patent holders get lots of mailings about new filings and grants that might infringe from all sorts of entities. I used to get them. Some patent holders sue at the drop of a hat to scare off any competition.

BTW mine just got here today :-)

Still the cheapest easiest way to go ADSB   and you get new pretty lights in the bargain.

When did you preorder?  I've heard nothing on mine.

[cliffy]

I did it at OSH