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9 minutes ago, Yetti said:

It's part of the flow, check position in pattern, look left to runway threshold, check airspeed, pull up a little to get under gear speed, put gear down, verify on floor gear is going down, start u turn to land, calculate for flaps, check turn coordinator, put flaps half, check gear down, Check for other planes on final, check turn coordinator, check approach, check floor indicator, check centerline, check wind. focus on centerline.

The one time it did not happen this way when the engine hiccupped with the fine wire plugs,   I needed altitude, but then I did not need it, since I was inside the fence, so the gear went out on base.

I've said this before, but it bears repeating.  I promise you I can distract you to the point where you'll totally forget the gear.  And I don't hold a patch on your average 4 year old, though Mrs. Steingar says I've the maturity of one.

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3 minutes ago, steingar said:

I've said this before, but it bears repeating.  I promise you I can distract you to the point where you'll totally forget the gear.  And I don't hold a patch on your average 4 year old, though Mrs. Steingar says I've the maturity of one.

Obviously anything is possible... but I believe barring the outrageous, I'll disagree.

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1 hour ago, steingar said:

I've said this before, but it bears repeating.  I promise you I can distract you to the point where you'll totally forget the gear.  And I don't hold a patch on your average 4 year old, though Mrs. Steingar says I've the maturity of one.

The CFI almost got hit when he did the distract and pulled the gear breaker. I did scowl at him.    I sit pretty far back from the panel and see everything.   I can hit isolate on the audio panel and make you go away. :-)

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1 hour ago, steingar said:

I've said this before, but it bears repeating.  I promise you I can distract you to the point where you'll totally forget the gear.  And I don't hold a patch on your average 4 year old, though Mrs. Steingar says I've the maturity of one.

 

6 minutes ago, Yetti said:

The CFI almost got hit when he did the distract and pulled the gear breaker. I did scowl at him.    I sit pretty far back from the panel and see everything.   I can hit isolate on the audio panel and make you go away. :-)

Exactly! I took my oldest daughter and her two kids, (8 yo grandson and 5 yo granddaughter) flying for the first time a few weeks ago up in Redding. (Yes I am far behind on my blog posts...) I explained all the rules to them about when they could talk and when they couldn't. I also told them that if they tried to talk when they shouldn't I would switch off their headsets. On takeoff they did well and were quiet. They loved the flight! I called up tower on the way back in and told them they had to stop talking now. That instruction lasted about a minute. I gave them one more reminder. On about a two mile final I reached up and switched off the intercom. I think they were still chatting but I couldn't really hear them anymore. We cleared the runway and as we were taxiing to the ramp my daughter said "I wish I had a switch like that in my car!":lol:

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3 hours ago, gsxrpilot said:

Obviously anything is possible... but I believe barring the outrageous, I'll disagree.

It's not passenger chatter that get's you (though it might contribute).  It's something so distracting that it takes your head completely out of the current task at just the right moment even if only for a fraction of a second and then prevents it from returning to the task completely.  I would never say that it could not happen to me or that I could not be distracted. That would be tantamount to a self inflicted curse.  I think I'm a decent stick and conscientious about how I do things.  I also think that many pilots far superior to me in skill, experience and discipline have screwed this particular pooch...many times.

Unsurprisingly, Mr. Deakin has penned some of his wise and entertaining musings on the subject.

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12 minutes ago, Shadrach said:

Unsurprisingly, Mr. Deakin has penned some of his wise and entertaining musings on the subject.

What a great story! Thanks for posting!

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3 hours ago, Shadrach said:

It's not passenger chatter that get's you (though it might contribute).  It's something so distracting that it takes your head completely out of the current task at just the right moment even if only for a fraction of a second and then prevents it from returning to the task completely.  I would never say that it could not happen to me or that I could not be distracted. That would be tantamount to a self inflicted curse.  I think I'm a decent stick and conscientious about how I do things.  I also think that many pilots far superior to me in skill, experience and discipline have screwed this particular pooch...many times.

Unsurprisingly, Mr. Deakin has penned some of his wise and entertaining musings on the subject.

Note that I have never said never.    What I have done is designed the landing flow with a "designed to fail" mentality.   There are a fair amount of "check the floor indicator" in the landing flow.    Maybe you need to add a chaos monkey to your world.....  https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/lessons-netflix-learned-from-the-aws-outage-deefe5fd0c04

 

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14 hours ago, Yetti said:

Note that I have never said never.    What I have done is designed the landing flow with a "designed to fail" mentality.   There are a fair amount of "check the floor indicator" in the landing flow.    Maybe you need to add a chaos monkey to your world.....  https://medium.com/netflix-techblog/lessons-netflix-learned-from-the-aws-outage-deefe5fd0c04

 

Too late! Already jinxed yourself, Your approach is not uncommon. I have a flow for multiple scenarios...but not every scenario. I caught the issue with my standard short final GUMPs. The process worked, I was just surprised it was needed. Never before nor since have I ventured  so close to making such an obvious mistake.

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Noted on jinxing.   Also on the get gear down to slow down.   I have lots of energy to get rid of since I am usually at the top or above the white arc at the threshold.  the ones I hate are, when driving away from the airport, I wonder if I did all 4 checks of the gear.  I mean clearly I did because the plane rolled back into the hangar just fine, it would not do that if the gear was up,, right?

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I'm with the big guy on this... @Yetti

At the point that I extend the gear and check down and locked, I tell myself, no matter what else happens, I won't gear-up the airplane this time.

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1 hour ago, gsxrpilot said:

I'm with the big guy on this... @Yetti

At the point that I extend the gear and check down and locked, I tell myself, no matter what else happens, I won't gear-up the airplane this time.

Well,  if it ever happens to you, I promise not to mention this thread (that I've now bookmarked:P)...

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