tigers2007 Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 What implication does this have on our birds? Resale value boost? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 Ironically, Mooneys may end up being too fast to qualify for the new LSA designation (if 150mph is a real thing). But more than anything else, this would be one more nail in the coffin for the dozens of light sport manufacturers. Otoh, I really like the idea of having a proper "entry-level" pilot certificate to replace the recreational cert that always seemed sort of useless to me. The sport pilot cert has been hurt by the limited availability of LSA trainers, and opening up the 15x/17x/PA28x aircraft could be a real boon to initial training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsengle Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 My guess would be these will still be non complex birds... no constant speed prop, no retract...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toto Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, gsengle said: My guess would be these will still be non complex birds... no constant speed prop, no retract... Yep. Though they do have LSA amphibians with retracts, I doubt seriously that normal category complex ac will ever meet LSA restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMan Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 Doesn't matter. If the demand for peoples' personal 172s and Pipers goes up, so does the price of those planes and with that, the market for ours as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DXB Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Wow I glanced at my calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st when I saw this thread. This is a game changer for the weekend warrior type pilot. Were this rule in effect when I got my PPL almost 4 years ago, I almost certainly would not have bought my Mooney at that time. As someone with no possibility of pursuing flying as a career, I might not have even bothered to get my PPL and just pursued an LSA license instead. Don't get me wrong - I'm very glad that I have a PPL, my M20C, and a subsequent IR. But as someone who got into this on a whim with minimal mentorship to help me understand the aviation world, but it would have been impossible for me to have had the vision to have swallowed the added costs to realize the benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 5TJ Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Ignore the inclusion of old airframes for a moment & visualize what designers could do with expanded LSA limits. I can imagine the (already available) 140 hp turbocharged Rotax 915 powering a 4 place 2400 pound class airplane. With a single-lever engine controller handling everything including prop pitch it could bypass the obsolete “complex” endorsement. We have been calling for the simpler certification of new designs. An expanded LSA category could be a parallel to the “performance based standards” of Part 23 rewrite. Expanding LSA rules could be a response to a growing realization that no 100LL replacement is coming and provides a path for expanding the fleet of mogas powered GA. I look forward to seeing the NPRM. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INA201 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Many LSAs were manufactured with potentially higher gross weights and even made efforts to keep their speeds down to fit. I think there are many manufacturers that may actually benefit but some will lose out for sure. The experimental guys will really love this ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooniac15u Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Isn't the medical implication the real game changer here? It sounds like you might be able to fly a 172 or Cherokee without an FAA medical certificate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Isn't the medical implication the real game changer here? It sounds like you might be able to fly a 172 or Cherokee without an FAA medical certificate. But VFR only, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 55 minutes ago, teejayevans said: But VFR only, right? Day VFR, below 10,000 for Sport Pilots [I think]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooperd0g Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 @Hank is correct. You are also limited from going into Class B airspace unless trained/signed off in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigers2007 Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 This change paired with the return of the $500 ADS- rebates will allow the metropolitan based weekend warrior pilots much more options. I’m basically in that category anyways. This might make a whole new category of CB’s. I wonder if LSR-Maintenance mechanics (3-week course) will experience any changes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradp Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 And it significantly expands the avionics options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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