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All of this G3 discussion is academic. Someone at Garmin who should be looking at market trends (which includes looking at competitive market share) is making investment decisions on the next gen of offerings.

If you look at the G5, it is clearly aimed at the Aspen market. But it is a product with a limited feature set. I guarantee you that at Garmin some General Manager said “let’s not put too many features in this product or we will lose potential TXi opportunities”.

What I am disappointed at is that certain competitive situations like the introduction of the Avidyne 440/540/550 should have helped keep those prices in check and even lowered them. Instead, those product prices are in line with Garmin’s GTN offerings. A 440 sells for around $11k and a 650 for $10,100 (list).


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I have chosen to use Garmin Pilot as my main EFB aviation App, but I do have a Basic FF subscription as a backup.  One of the things I like about many of my student's FF app is the aural announcements of entering, leaving runways and runway lengths.  I have not been able to duplicate that with my subscription.  Can I assume that to get that functionality you need a Pro subscription?

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1 minute ago, donkaye said:

I have chosen to use Garmin Pilot as my main EFB aviation App, but I do have a Basic FF subscription as a backup.  One of the things I like about many of my student's FF app is the aural announcements of entering, leaving runways and runway lengths.  I have not been able to duplicate that with my subscription.  Can I assume that to get that functionality you need a Pro subscription?

Sounds like ad hoc features.

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7 minutes ago, donkaye said:

I have chosen to use Garmin Pilot as my main EFB aviation App, but I do have a Basic FF subscription as a backup.  One of the things I like about many of my student's FF app is the aural announcements of entering, leaving runways and runway lengths.  I have not been able to duplicate that with my subscription.  Can I assume that to get that functionality you need a Pro subscription?

Yes.  You need the pro plus subscription for that.  It is part of the geo-referenced chart / plate feature.

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9 minutes ago, donkaye said:

I have chosen to use Garmin Pilot as my main EFB aviation App, but I do have a Basic FF subscription as a backup.  One of the things I like about many of my student's FF app is the aural announcements of entering, leaving runways and runway lengths.  I have not been able to duplicate that with my subscription.  Can I assume that to get that functionality you need a Pro subscription?

I, too, have both GP and FF.  I have GP for database updates to the panel but use FF as my primary.  Looking at the features (https://foreflight.com/pricing/) the aural alerts might be lumped under Hazard Advisor & Hazard Alerts

EDIT: Maybe @hypertech knew better.  I do like that feature.  And, best of all, when my tablet is connected to my audio panel, everyone gets those alerts over the headsets.  Also, the "Cabin Altitude is above 12,500" is a nice aural announcment as well.

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8 minutes ago, hypertech said:

Yes.  You need the pro plus subscription for that.  It is part of the geo-referenced chart / plate feature.

Thanks.  It might be worth the extra cost, especially since I haven't been taking advantage of the SAFE discount.

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I, too, have both GP and FF.  I have GP for database updates to the panel but use FF as my primary.  Looking at the features (https://foreflight.com/pricing/) the aural alerts might be lumped under Hazard Advisor & Hazard Alerts
EDIT: Maybe [mention=16203]hypertech[/mention] knew better.  I do like that feature.  And, best of all, when my tablet is connected to my audio panel, everyone gets those alerts over the headsets.  Also, the "Cabin Altitude is above 12,500" is a nice aural announcment as well.


I have been locked into GP primarily because of the database uploads. I like GP because it mimics the interface of the GTN but am disappointed that I can’t use my Lynx 9000 ADS-B In solution with it. Ironically, FltPln Go does allow it to connect and display weather and traffic. If GP doesn’t allow that connectivity, I may need to revisit FF.


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Don may be worth swapping a basic GP and the upgraded FF next to aroubd if you still get the database concierge 

I also wish that FF would include the code for XM Wx and music via connext. 

Any if they had a GFC-500 on offer for mid bodies I’d buy one today.  Hurry up Garmin before my wife makes me use my autipilot pennies for a bathroom or something silly like that. 

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2 hours ago, bradp said:

Don may be worth swapping a basic GP and the upgraded FF next to aroubd if you still get the database concierge 

I also wish that FF would include the code for XM Wx and music via connext. 

Any if they had a GFC-500 on offer for mid bodies I’d buy one today.  Hurry up Garmin before my wife makes me use my autipilot pennies for a bathroom or something silly like that. 

Suppose the stc comes early summer - I am wondering if it will be very hard to get an appointment at a good avionics shop given the 2020 adsb rush

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Does anyone have a pic of what the servo mounting brackets look like in one of the test moonies? I’d be very curious. 

I’d also be curious to know if this can be installed in the same location as the the century II b controller (below the throttle quadrant on the throttle quadrant moonies)... the easily available G3X touch installation manual has the dimensions in it.  Will need to do some measuring ...

I’m somewhat hopeful that the local avionics shop would be willing to let me do the majority of the installation labor and removal of the existing system- especially if they haven’t done a Mooney.  I’m thinking  labor hours on this one all comes down to the brackets and whether fabrication is required.  The wiring and install of the equipment seems stone cold simple per the G3X literature.

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On 2/8/2019 at 7:56 AM, donkaye said:

Thanks.  It might be worth the extra cost, especially since I haven't been taking advantage of the SAFE discount.

I too use FF basic but my aural warnings work... maybe delve into the settings and make sure they’re on?  They aren’t part of the geo rectified charts.  Your ipad will need a gps source however.

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On 2/9/2019 at 8:49 PM, bradp said:

Does anyone have a pic of what the servo mounting brackets look like in one of the test moonies? I’d be very curious. 

I’d also be curious to know if this can be installed in the same location as the the century II b controller (below the throttle quadrant on the throttle quadrant moonies)... the easily available G3X touch installation manual has the dimensions in it.  Will need to do some measuring ...

I’m somewhat hopeful that the local avionics shop would be willing to let me do the majority of the installation labor and removal of the existing system- especially if they haven’t done a Mooney.  I’m thinking  labor hours on this one all comes down to the brackets and whether fabrication is required.  The wiring and install of the equipment seems stone cold simple per the G3X literature.

Not yet. They have been flight testing my K a bunch and hope to be wrapped up in about two weeks, so the manuals with servo locations and brackets should be ready shortly thereafter. 

 

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On 12/21/2018 at 1:09 PM, gsengle said:

All well and good but I find it disturbing that the devices attitude info standalone isn’t as good as a mechanical gyro, and thus requires this additional validation to work/be certified

 

Every glass panel works this way. It’s not disturbing at all to me, it’s the electronic equivalent of “pendulous vanes.”

On 12/21/2018 at 5:28 PM, Steve W said:

I haven't seen anything that says the KA310 is required if you use a KFC-230, only for legacy(analog input) autopilots. I'd assume they were smart enough to put the ARINC output for the KFC on the KI-300 itself... Then again, it is BK.

The KA-310 is required even for the KFC-230. Face. Palm. 

On 12/22/2018 at 10:34 AM, Marauder said:


I think the big advantage of CWS is on a missed approach while you’re trying to clean up the plane. I agree, flown for years without one in the plane but have enough experience to know they have some value, but at what cost?
 

 

I use my CWS button for a few things:

1) Activating the flight director after takeoff. Quicker to do it with CWS on the left hand and reach directly for the AP button on the right hand. Does the GFC500 even require the FD to be active before pushing AP?

2) Correcting altitude every so often. Sometimes I use the DN/UP rocker, sometimes I use CWS. With a digital autopilot, I don’t think I’ll need to do this any more anyway. 

3) Momentarily deviating to take a look at something. Easy enough to just disengage and re-engage. 

I don’t think I’m going to miss it. I might even move some things on my left yoke horn. Currently it’s home to trim, A/P Disconnect, PTT, PTC, speed brakes, and CWS!

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It’s disturbing because it’s reliant on something external to the airplane. Did you see the huge areas of gps disturbance courtesy of the us military this week?


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It’s disturbing because it’s reliant on something external to the airplane. Did you see the huge areas of gps disturbance courtesy of the us military this week?


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I saw it but was disappointed that it didn’t have any effect in our neck of the woods. Was looking forward to some good old fashioned ded reckoning, a little VOR tracking and some pilotage tossed in for giggles. Instead, I just followed the magenta line, again.


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