J0nathan225 Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 My instructor and I were both alittle surprised when I had to shoot a NP approach. I checked raim/gps prediction before and after, I should have been "covered" anyone else ran into this? Hopefully it was a rare occurrence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DualRatedFlyer Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Where/when was the approach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0nathan225 Posted August 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 KEDN about 3:15pm Local time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DualRatedFlyer Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 Someone else will come on here and rightfully correct me - my gps knowledge is a bit rusty... RAIM is only for non-WAAS recievers. Since the IFD 440 is a WAAS unit, corrections are continuously broadcasted and do not require a RAIM prediction calculation to insure integrity. Relevant portion copied and pasted below from FAA Aviation news publication. Briefly looked at NOTAMS in the area on foreflight, but didnt see anything relevant to outages. Noticed your approach location is next to a MOA - unsure if local interference can affect only WAAS performance? No answers, just thinking out loud AIM 1-1-20 describes the Wide Area Augmentation System (WAAS). With WAAS, strategically positioned ground-reference stations monitor GPS satellite signals and correct any errors in the data that can result from atmospheric anomalies. This “cleaned-up” version of GPS data is sent back to the GPS satellite network and then rebroadcasted. A WAAS-enabled GPS receiver (TSO-C145 or C146) uses this version of the GPS signal to provide more accurate position data, FAA’s RAIM prediction model uses assumptions about generic aviation grade GPS receiver performance, so your specific receiver may be better. The model uses a generic RAIM algorithm to predict a horizontal protection level (HPL), considering the current and scheduled status of GPS satellites. The HPL is then compared to the alert limit for the phase of flight: en route (2 NM), terminal (1 NM), non-precision approach (0.3 NM), to determine availability. If the HPL is predicted to be greater than the alert limit, an outage of service capability is indicated. January/February 2010 FAAAviation News 25 making RAIM prediction unnecessary in these units. In addition to providing the correction signal, a WAAS geostationary satellite provides an additional range measurement to the GPS receiver, improving the availability of GPS by providing, in effect, an additional GPS satellite in view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 My instructor and I were both alittle surprised when I had to shoot a NP approach. I checked raim/gps prediction before and after, I should have been "covered" anyone else ran into this? Hopefully it was a rare occurrence. Rod Machado has a video on YouTube to explain how this happens. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcopolo Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 hours ago, J0nathan225 said: My instructor and I were both alittle surprised when I had to shoot a NP approach. I checked raim/gps prediction before and after, I should have been "covered" anyone else ran into this? Hopefully it was a rare occurrence. @J0nathan225, Is it possible that WAAS is not enabled on your IFD440, there is a setting in maintenance mode that shows it (WAAS or Non-WAAS). During your "RAIM" check you would have seen a Status line, this line should have read SBAS nav as opposed to FDE nav or Basic nav. Just a thought, Ron P.S. If you've had a software update done on the unit this setting can revert back to default (Non-WAAS) as part/result of the update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpaul Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 7 hours ago, J0nathan225 said: KEDN about 3:15pm Local time. You might check here https://sapt.faa.gov/raim-summaries.php?outageType=129001250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony Posted August 20, 2018 Report Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) On 8/16/2018 at 12:34 PM, DualRatedFlyer said: RAIM is only for non-WAAS recievers. Since the IFD 440 is a WAAS unit, corrections are continuously broadcasted and do not require a RAIM prediction calculation to insure integrity. That's right. Edited August 20, 2018 by tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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