triple8s Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Bad day for someone at keqy.....on the bright side Mooney is a tough bird and I've seen many repaired and I the air again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964-M20E Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 ouch !! looks like a newer model it should fly again. I've landed there before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMan Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Has to be one of the worst feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDPetersen Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 One blade untouched? Deadstick? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmyfm20s Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 I would guess a dead stick also. That far off the runway and an untouched blade. Maybe survived the impossible turn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 I would guess a dead stick also. That far off the runway and an untouched blade. Maybe survived the impossible turn? When I look at the picture closer, it looks like all three tips are bent back. That might be consistent with a prop stoppage on landing with the gear up.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwing Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Looks like he landed in the grass infield far away from the runway to minimize Damage.Ifso,he did a great job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 I’ve always wondered, in the event of a gear up landing that you knew was going to happen would you pick grass or a runway? Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kortopates Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Its a J model and so far only the incident/accident report that just says "Aircraft Landed on grass". https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:96:12169316330885::::P96_ENTRY_DATE,P96_MAKE_NAME,P96_FATAL_FLG:20-JUN-18,MOONEY But it is being labelled as a accident, with substantial damage, and with pilot and pax both with minor injuries - hope they are okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 I’ve always wondered, in the event of a gear up landing that you knew was going to happen would you pick grass or a runway? Clarence Someone asked that question in my college flying club in Texas when we had a "ground school" session for those interested in checking out in our F model Mooney...."Where is the best place to land a Mooney if you can't get the gear down?"Answer:"Kerrville"Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk 6 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, M20Doc said: I’ve always wondered, in the event of a gear up landing that you knew was going to happen would you pick grass or a runway? Clarence Usually when I see such discussions the consensus seems to be that pavement is better, since it's more likely to be smoother with less things to catch, thump, dig in, or bounce the airplane around. I suppose if one was very familiar with the grass strip in question and knew it to be very smooth, the choice might be harder. I still think pavement is generally a safer bet, though, as long as it's not in crappy shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 According to the N number it is a 1977 J. Interestingly his FlightAware photo shows a new nose gear door on it. https://flightaware.com/photos/view/29032-6975cbe1c14f9e8b8b5263f09c0bdfd13d632b20/aircrafttype/M20P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 Seems to have a unique history as well: http://aviationdb.net/aviationdb/AircraftDetailPage#SUBMIT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted June 21, 2018 Report Share Posted June 21, 2018 1 hour ago, David Herman said: My heart breaks every time I see something like this. I hope the injuries were not serious and the plane will be repaired. @Tommy Please no morons should use this tragedy to discuss their (lack of) religious beliefs or political beliefs. THIS IS A MOONEY FORUM. Calling him names will only provoke a response in the manner you don't want to see . . . . If no one quotes his response, I won't see it, courtesy of the "Ignore User" feature. Ya'll fly safe out there! P.S.--for an expected gear up landing, I'll take asphalt or concrete over uneven grassy soil of unknown consistency where my lower prop blade(s), carb chin, fixed step, belly beacon, flap hinges, etc., may dig in, affecting my track across the ground and increase sheet metal damage through stuck pieces folding back, breaking off and / or wrenching their supporting structure. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 12 hours ago, David Herman said: My heart breaks every time I see something like this. I hope the injuries were not serious and the plane will be repaired. @Tommy Please no morons should use this tragedy to discuss their (lack of) religious beliefs or political beliefs. THIS IS A MOONEY FORUM. David, In your own words this is a Mooney forum? Do we really need the name calling? I’ve disagreed with people on this forum, I don’t block or ignore them because some of their posts contain good points which I learn from. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midlifeflyer Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 15 hours ago, M20Doc said: I’ve always wondered, in the event of a gear up landing that you knew was going to happen would you pick grass or a runway? Clarence Runway. Guaranteed smooth. Given that gear-up landings are (almost?) universally nonevents from a human injury standpoint, why add an unknown factor? Of course, if it's a grass runway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartman Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Runway at home if able, or location with repair services. That's if I know ahead of time and have sufficient fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Runway. I figure its the insurance company's airplane at that point, just want me and mine to be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Definitely runway. If the grass is at all patchy or lumpy it will get caught in the seams. I've seen a Mooney who belly landed on grass like that, the belly looked like a bad hair transplant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LANCECASPER Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Since it's the insurance company's airplane at that point definitely a runway. In my case I am 14.8 nm from Kerrville so I'll head that direction and let Dugosh or the factory handle it : ) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midlifeflyer Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Bartman said: Runway at home if able, or location with repair services. That's if I know ahead of time and have sufficient fuel. Glad you mentioned it. Services - maintenance and otherwise - is an important consideration. I was visiting a friend who lives on a private airstrip. Gear handle down, no confirmation other than the increased drag (it wasn't a Mooney with the a mechanical visual confirmation, just a single gear light). Might have been the light. Might not. Might have been down. Might not. Wasn't going to take the chance of lading gear up at a private mountain airstrip 80 road miles away from the nearest maintenance services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNameIsNobody Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Bad day... Pavement if available 100% for reasons stated. Insurance can replace panels, but a digger and sudden stop can be bad for humans...Avoid like the plague. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNameIsNobody Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 I see no sign of earth disruption by plane. Might it have been removed from runway and placed there on a temporary basis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 All that said, I'll do my best to get the gear down if able. Pretty quick and easy with the J-bar. In a real true blue emergency I think that'd wait until the last minute, when I was assured of making the runway, but I would still try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcrmckenna Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 The safety pilot in this plane commented on the crash on Aviators Lounge Facebook pageShort hand description: engine quit after going missed on a practice instrument approach. They have some other pictures with one of the main gear folded backwards. It sounded like they got super lucky. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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