Stephen Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 @acpartswhse On the search for an intake bellows. IA doing annual on 1969 F model indicates that the bellows is shot. think it *may* be part 45 here based on the description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor_U Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Part used to be ready available and cost was $300 when I needed it few years ago. I've ordered mine from LASAR. Main reason for failure is lower cowl removal during annual. My IA and I don't do that anymore if don't have to; he found a way to inspect the exhaust with cowl on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertGary1 Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 +1 on saving the $300 every few years by not dropping the lower cowl. The part is referred to as the intake boot. Mooney should still be selling them. Call your favorite Msc -l -Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarmaster Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 You can also get them from SWTA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted May 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 thanks, I think the ones above are pictured for 0360 vs my IO360 but I think the above guidance is still relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Stephen said: @acpartswhse On the search for an intake bellows. IA doing annual on 1969 F model indicates that the bellows is shot. think it *may* be part 45 here based on the description. That’s a C model not F model. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Here is the F model, item 37, p/n 600115-005. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted May 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 Gracias Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75_M20F Posted May 24, 2018 Report Share Posted May 24, 2018 What was the word on your engine? Good I hope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted May 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 13 hours ago, ABCDEF said: What was the word on your engine? Good I hope? Patty @ east texas flying service thought the engine may be fine, and the amount of metal in my filter may be due to the high humidity and the plane sitting for around 6 weeks. So, she pulled the lower screen (which was clean) and sent an oil sample in for inspection (it had < 10 hrs on it) but it came out completely clean. So ... we are on a filter every 10 hrs watch program but she thinks the engine is likely fine.... trust but verify. I definitely hope that turns out to be the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75_M20F Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 On 5/25/2018 at 7:16 AM, Stephen said: Patty @ east texas flying service thought the engine may be fine, and the amount of metal in my filter may be due to the high humidity and the plane sitting for around 6 weeks. So, she pulled the lower screen (which was clean) and sent an oil sample in for inspection (it had < 10 hrs on it) but it came out completely clean. So ... we are on a filter every 10 hrs watch program but she thinks the engine is likely fine.... trust but verify. I definitely hope that turns out to be the case. Good to hear! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted June 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 I’m AOG for this bellows ; @Alan Fox @acpartswhse Mooney is backordered and having Manuf issues with these so SWTA / Lasar etc have none. Any servicable/ repairable ones out the here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted June 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Stephen said: I’m AOG for this bellows ; @Alan Fox @acpartswhse Mooney is backordered and having Manuf issues with these so SWTA / Lasar etc have none. Any servicable/ repairable ones out the here? Woot! Patty at East Texas Air found a used one for me ; disregard above request but note heads up on shortage issue if affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yetti Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 Seems like Owner produced part is in our future. There was someone that was going to make these, with modern materials. @carusoam would seem to know the best modern material for these. Polyurathane seems reasonable to me. These guys seem to be ones in line for the owner produced part https://www.sculpteo.com/en/materials/clip-resin-material/flexible-polyurethane-clip-resin-material/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 That is an interesting opportunity Yetti. Choosing the right material is going to be a challenge.... it has to live in the ‘under the hood environment’ which could include rain and moisture... From the Sculpteo site... “With regards to water qualities, resin is water-resistant but not waterproof. Thus, the 3D object must not rest in contact with water for extended periods of time. In terms of temperature, if the plastic is subjected to heat above 50°C (122°F), it is possible that the physical form of the object can significantly altered.” Modern automotive air intakes are typically molded by the 10,000s. This allows them to be nicely shaped, cross-linked, tough, UV, moisture, and 02 resistant..... Our current air intake hoses appear to be hand made by a company familiar with the rubber lay-up process... start with a fabric base and add the rubber component, bake in an oven for the x-linking reaction to occur... do this a couple of times to build up layers... There are probably similar needs in the kit plane and kit car building industries... It is amazing to see how long these parts have lasted. a google search for engine air intake custom.... reveals a few companies that build hoses and parts for similar needs... Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted June 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Yetti said: Seems like Owner produced part is in our future. There was someone that was going to make these, with modern materials. @carusoam would seem to know the best modern material for these. Polyurathane seems reasonable to me. These guys seem to be ones in line for the owner produced part https://www.sculpteo.com/en/materials/clip-resin-material/flexible-polyurethane-clip-resin-material/ I would like to see one; hopefully Patty hasn't 86'd my old one. Would be interesting to get away from terminal supply chain constipation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Pressley Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 i have a good used one that would work until you find a new one 423 231 3491 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 hours ago, acpartswhse said: i have a good used one that would work until you find a new one 423 231 3491 I ended up finding a used one in TX but will follow up on another inquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 I’m putting my last new one on an F model, Mooney advises that they will have inventory in early July. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, M20Doc said: I’m putting my last new one on an F model, Mooney advises that they will have inventory in early July. Clarence Thanks for the update Clarence. Hopefully this new batch meet Mooney’s standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964-M20E Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Yeah $300 +/- is pretty expensive for the boot but at the end of the day is it really worth trying to make a new molded rubber one if the originals are available? I thought of using a piece of 2 1/2" maybe 3" scat hose and making an adapter to fit on the throttle body and the cowling with a flat piece of aluminum and a piece of 2 1/2" aluminum pipe. It's simple, short, easily replaceable with commonly available items. The most fabrication you have is some cutting and welding on aluminum. Is there any real drawback to this? Intake collapsing maybe? Maybe not enough room to make it work? There is very little differential pressure on this part and it would not be very long at all maybe 2" of unsupported duct for the flex between the engine and cowling. Surely the SCAT is capable of handing anything the rubber boot we now have has to handle. Don't other manufacturers use SCAT to direct intake air form the filter to the throttle body or carburetor? I've really only worked on the Mooney with my A&P of course. Shoot away if you want. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertGary1 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 hours ago, 1964-M20E said: Yeah $300 +/- is pretty expensive for the boot but at the end of the day is it really worth trying to make a new molded rubber one if the originals are available? I thought of using a piece of 2 1/2" maybe 3" scat hose and making an adapter to fit on the throttle body and the cowling with a flat piece of aluminum and a piece of 2 1/2" aluminum pipe. It's simple, short, easily replaceable with commonly available items. The most fabrication you have is some cutting and welding on aluminum. Is there any real drawback to this? Intake collapsing maybe? Maybe not enough room to make it work? There is very little differential pressure on this part and it would not be very long at all maybe 2" of unsupported duct for the flex between the engine and cowling. Surely the SCAT is capable of handing anything the rubber boot we now have has to handle. Don't other manufacturers use SCAT to direct intake air form the filter to the throttle body or carburetor? I've really only worked on the Mooney with my A&P of course. Shoot away if you want. Just my thoughts. Are you sure the pressure differential is minimal? I’d think it would be a lot. -Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 7 hours ago, 1964-M20E said: Yeah $300 +/- is pretty expensive for the boot but at the end of the day is it really worth trying to make a new molded rubber one if the originals are available? I thought of using a piece of 2 1/2" maybe 3" scat hose and making an adapter to fit on the throttle body and the cowling with a flat piece of aluminum and a piece of 2 1/2" aluminum pipe. It's simple, short, easily replaceable with commonly available items. The most fabrication you have is some cutting and welding on aluminum. Is there any real drawback to this? Intake collapsing maybe? Maybe not enough room to make it work? There is very little differential pressure on this part and it would not be very long at all maybe 2" of unsupported duct for the flex between the engine and cowling. Surely the SCAT is capable of handing anything the rubber boot we now have has to handle. Don't other manufacturers use SCAT to direct intake air form the filter to the throttle body or carburetor? I've really only worked on the Mooney with my A&P of course. Shoot away if you want. Just my thoughts. There is an AD on Piper Arrows for collapsed intake hoses made of Sact ducting. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964-M20E Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, RobertGary1 said: Are you sure the pressure differential is minimal? I’d think it would be a lot. -Robert I'm thinking the only restriction you have is the air filter and that should be minimal 0.5" the rest of the pressure drop from ambient comes from the throttle body if the air-filter is clogged you have the bypass. An easy way to find out would be to put an old MP gauge with a line hooked to the air box just behind the filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964-M20E Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 41 minutes ago, M20Doc said: There is an AD on Piper Arrows for collapsed intake hoses made of Sact ducting. Clarence I have seen that happen on a Beech Musketeer but the hose was not replaced after a water landing. This did cause another off airport emergency landing due to a collapsed hose. Also the length of unsupported Scat hose would be minimal in the E and F models only about 2" just enough to allow for vibrations between the cowling and the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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