201er Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Any idea what this means or what can be done that doesn’t require Garmin dealer? And if it does, anyone know what it typically costs? Can I send to Garmin myself or only through dealer? All advice appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIm20c Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Is the Com still working? Garmin uses a flat rate repair charge, I think it’s around $1200 now. You need to have a dealer send it in. I do know from previous experience that a com failure is not that uncommon on the 430/530 boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpaul Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 15 minutes ago, 201er said: Any idea what this means According to the service manual it requires a replacement of the COM board, which requires opening the box and de-soldering the old and re-soldering the new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
201er Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, kpaul said: According to the service manual it requires a replacement of the COM board, which requires opening the box and de-soldering the old and re-soldering the new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 4 hours ago, 201er said: Any idea what this means or what can be done that doesn’t require Garmin dealer? Yeah, swap it out for an Avidyne IFD440. You can do the swap and install yourself. No Garmin dealer or avionics installer required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) I thought that the only repair at Garmin was a flat rate repair which will bring it up to a WAAS unit and about 3000. Clarence Edited April 1, 2018 by M20Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 Sometimes pulling the COM C/B or the NAV C/B can trigger this warning. Id try to power cycle the unit a few more times before condemning it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooney in Oz Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 If you go the repair route, find a Garmin dealer who will provide you with a loan replacement until your unit returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6758N Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 Mike- you have to have a dealer send it in for you, Garmin will not talk to you. Call @Alan Fox and have him send it in through one of his resources... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elliott Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 33 minutes ago, Mooney in Oz said: If you go the repair route, find a Garmin dealer who will provide you with a loan replacement until your unit returns. Victor, will you be at the PSP in Bathurst late October? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooney in Oz Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 Most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drapo Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 Clarence, from personal experience, Garmin will do the repair first THEN the WAAS upgrade, so total is around $5000US plus shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 Sometimes pulling the COM C/B or the NAV C/B can trigger this warning. Id try to power cycle the unit a few more times before condemning it. The dealer should bench test it before sending it in, make sure you ask them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
201er Posted April 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 9 hours ago, jetdriven said: Sometimes pulling the COM C/B or the NAV C/B can trigger this warning. Id try to power cycle the unit a few more times before condemning it. Already doing this 2 flights in a row and 4 power cycles. Already reseated it just in case and nothing helps. Radio doesn't receive or transmit and just says com needs service. How serious of a problem is anyone ones guess but it sounds to be I will be out a thousand bucks no matter what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) $4,000 - $5,000 Edited April 1, 2018 by jetdriven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 20 hours ago, gsxrpilot said: Yeah, swap it out for an Avidyne IFD440. You can do the swap and install yourself. No Garmin dealer or avionics installer required. Not legally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 11 hours ago, M20Doc said: I thought that the only repair at Garmin was a flat rate repair which will bring it up to a WAAS unit and about 3000. Clarence You thought wrong , 1200 flat rate repair.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
201er Posted April 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Alan Fox said: You thought wrong , 1200 flat rate repair.. Regardless if it’s a tiny easy fix or the whole unit is replaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 It is usually a com power problem , when you see this , Also could be a glitch , Hold the clear button on , when you power it up , until Garmin appears on the screen , after it boots , it should say saved memory lost , See if that helps , if not , Bring it down , and we can slide it into one of my planes to test the radio,,.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 1 minute ago, 201er said: Regardless if it’s a tiny easy fix or the whole unit is replaced? Correct , Garmin averages repair costs , 1200 one size fits all ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIm20c Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 Just now, 201er said: Regardless if it’s a tiny easy fix or the whole unit is replaced? I think you have the waas version. The repair should keep to the 1200, Garmin is really good about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
201er Posted April 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Alan Fox said: It is usually a com power problem , when you see this , Also could be a glitch , Hold the clear button on , when you power it up , until Garmin appears on the screen , after it boots , it should say saved memory lost , See if that helps , if not , Bring it down , and we can slide it into one of my planes to test the radio,,.... Thanks! That’s the kind of info I was hoping for. Didn’t want to be the fool to send for repair if it was really just a matter of pushing some buttons. I’ll try it later today before flying back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, Alan Fox said: Not legally I guess it depends on who's interpreting the rules. I did the swap myself in my 252 and put the sticker in the log book that Avidyne sent with it. No AI or avionics shop has complained about it. According to Avidyne, it's legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 heres the FAR 43 reference Removing and replacing self-contained, front instrument panel-mounted navigation and communication devices that employ tray-mounted connectors that connect the unit when the unit is installed into the instrument panel, (excluding automatic flight control systems, transponders, and microwave frequency distance measuring equipment (DME). The approved unit must be designed to be readily and repeatedly removed and replaced, and pertinent instructions must be provided. Prior to the unit's intended use, an operational check must be performed in accordance with the applicable sections of part 91. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonMuncy Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 4 hours ago, jetdriven said: heres the FAR 43 reference Removing and replacing self-contained, front instrument panel-mounted navigation and communication devices that employ tray-mounted connectors that connect the unit when the unit is installed into the instrument panel, (excluding automatic flight control systems, transponders, and microwave frequency distance measuring equipment (DME). The approved unit must be designed to be readily and repeatedly removed and replaced, and pertinent instructions must be provided. Prior to the unit's intended use, an operational check must be performed in accordance with the applicable sections of part 91. Don't you just hate it when someone who actually knows, pops up with the answer and proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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