bradp Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Even better is I get that efficiency on 0 GPH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schinderhannes Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/26/2018 at 7:43 PM, jamesm said: funny thing is doesn't Aspen allow experimental builders to install them Home built's ? But an A&P can't installed in certified aircraft? sound like license to print money. Garmin has the same approach, they didn't give me an RMA number for the repair of the SL30 in our M20C and I was told that a Garmin dealer had to remove the unit and sent it in for repair. On the other hand we didn't have any issues to get an RMA number for the SL30 from my wife's Long EZ. I have seen lately quite a few used Aspen unit on the used market. What is the procedure for installation of a used unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanton R Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 On 3/28/2018 at 3:12 PM, bradp said: Dev - opposite is also true. When you have a G5 as an HSI it can revert to a backup attitude indicator. Here’s the same unit in both modes. Like Paul, this one is only hooked up to a GPS. Per the STC the above operation mode is not ok for the installed equipment. A G5 that is replacing the horizon is only allowed to be a PFD mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradp Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, Stanton R said: Per the STC the above operation mode is not ok for the installed equipment. A G5 that is replacing the horizon is only allowed to be a PFD mode. Very true. Point is that if you have the HSI (which is the exact same part as the PFD) it can revert to a backup PFD as well were the proverbial to hit the rapidly rotating. Use of the G5 as a standby instrument is also prohibited by the STC.... but it’s function is not locked out by software ... and Garmin recommends plumbing both units to Pitot Static. Hmmm. So I wouldn’t hesitate it use it for that purpose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Stanton R said: Per the STC the above operation mode is not ok for the installed equipment. A G5 that is replacing the horizon is only allowed to be a PFD mode. Someone pipe in with interpretation here - but my understanding is - this is a perfectly legal use of the equipment in an emergency to use it and whatever else you may have at hand, as you find convenient and helpful in the case of an emergency such as an equipment failure. SO if this equipment has accessible alternate functions beyond the STC primary use, and you want to use that mode if your certified equipment that is supposed to do that job fails, then PIC, by all means do as you wish. emergency. kinda like using an uncertified attitude indicator stuck to your panel with a piece of gum - whose going to say not to look at that thing if you primary and your certified backup both go belly up. I use bubble-yum - pink. Edited April 3, 2018 by aviatoreb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradp Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 I think Erik and I are on the same page here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 9:21 AM, Schinderhannes said: I have seen lately quite a few used Aspen unit on the used market. What is the procedure for installation of a used unit? I bought my Aspen PFD Pro off of Barnstormers. I then bought an EA100, flush mount kit, and a couple of cables from Aspen to complete the install. It was all installed by an Avionics shop. No issues and it works great. I recently bought the AOA unlock when Aspen had them on sale. Again, no issues with my second hand PFD. I never pay retail if I don't have to. And don't see any reason to buy a new Aspen when there are used ones to be had. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradp Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 ... And there's not need for an 8130 for Part 91 for used avionics, although some avionics shops that are repair stations will insist on one for tracing purposes and/or to make sure that they are not held accountable for a bum unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimM20F Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) I can’t wait for the release of the Aspen E5. I think this is a better option than a pair of G5’s for my situation, at least. My VOR/LOC/GS CDI is in need of overhaul. The Garmin G5 HSI doesn’t display glideslope guidance (hence HSI). Furthermore, I don’t believe the G5 configured as an HSI will accept VOR/LOC input from anything other than a Garmin navigator. I have a GPS 400, which is just the GPS portion of the GNS 430. The Aspen will accept vor/loc/Gs input from a KX-155 for example, and according to what I know about other Aspen displays, many other sources as well. From what I’ve read, the Aspen E5 should be an STC installation, meaning an AI can install it. If anyone knows anything contrary to this, please advise. Edited April 3, 2018 by TimM20F 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kris_adams Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 This is definitely making me thing about the aspen as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Welcome aboard, Tim. Best rgerads, -a- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazztheglass Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 I'm also on the G5/E5 fence. I have a G5 in my cessna 340 and love it. It is on the right side. I replaced the attitude indicator that failed on that side and my FO (wife) toggles it back and forth without issue but mainly keeps it is AI mode. I am considering twin G5 vs E5 for the left side as well as for our Mooney. Two reasons I am leaning Garmin's way at present is my satisfaction with this one unit plus the prospect of adding Garmin autopilots to each of the planes. I feel confident that the G5 will "talk" seamlessly to the new GFC 500 and 600 autopilots. Maybe the Aspen will as well, any thoughts? Also as far as install costs, the G5 in my Cessna 340 was $2449 parts, $1900 labor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 hours ago, jazztheglass said: I'm also on the G5/E5 fence. I have a G5 in my cessna 340 and love it. It is on the right side. I replaced the attitude indicator that failed on that side and my FO (wife) toggles it back and forth without issue but mainly keeps it is AI mode. I am considering twin G5 vs E5 for the left side as well as for our Mooney. Two reasons I am leaning Garmin's way at present is my satisfaction with this one unit plus the prospect of adding Garmin autopilots to each of the planes. I feel confident that the G5 will "talk" seamlessly to the new GFC 500 and 600 autopilots. Maybe the Aspen will as well, any thoughts? Also as far as install costs, the G5 in my Cessna 340 was $2449 parts, $1900 labor It's hard to say what Garmin will do with the interfacing with other vendors when the GFC comes out. It is in their own best interest to pursue the interface otherwise guys like me will head down the alternatives path. When the GTX-345 came out, there was talking of interfacing to the Aspen products. Had they moved faster with Aspen, people like me might have considered the 345 over the L-3 9000. I'm just happy that there is more than one pony in this autopilot race. Owning and being satisfied with my STEC 60-2, I was really disappointed to find out the "upgrade" to the STEC 3100 was more expensive than the Garmin, Trutrak, and others. Had they been priced competitively, I would consider it. My only consideration for upgrading my STEC is for constant airspeed climbs and altitude pre-select. I think at the end of the day, they will all integrate. It is just a question of when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy95W Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 5 hours ago, TimM20F said: The Garmin G5 HSI doesn’t display glideslope guidance (hence HSI). I don't have one, but I don't think this the case. Their website says it displays vertical guidance (LPV and ILS) and the picture shows it like this: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 I don’t think I ever saw an HSI without GS? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanton R Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 17 hours ago, aviatoreb said: Someone pipe in with interpretation here - but my understanding is - this is a perfectly legal use of the equipment in an emergency to use it and whatever else you may have at hand, as you find convenient and helpful in the case of an emergency such as an equipment failure. SO if this equipment has accessible alternate functions beyond the STC primary use, and you want to use that mode if your certified equipment that is supposed to do that job fails, then PIC, by all means do as you wish. emergency. kinda like using an uncertified attitude indicator stuck to your panel with a piece of gum - whose going to say not to look at that thing if you primary and your certified backup both go belly up. I use bubble-yum - pink. I agree with you, however if you set a G5 AI according to the STC manual the HSI display is supposed to be disabled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, Stanton R said: I agree with you, however if you set a G5 AI according to the STC manual the HSI display is supposed to be disabled. I wouldn't know about that. Maybe disabled means the switch is turned off but you have access to the switch from the pilot's seat in flight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 The avionics shop that did my G5 install is a well known and respected Garmin shop. They said they installed it according to the STC. But I can still switch the HSI in flight if I want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 There must be something rustling in the weeds because Aspen posted a reminder/clarification to their dealers about back up Attitude Indicators . Seems there are installations being done that do not conform to the STC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Peace Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Don't forget to flush mount....... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Flush mount is the correct answer for all of it... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Flush mount is the correct answer for all of it... I agree. I never liked my Aspens sticking out. The G5s look like they stick out even farther. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy95W Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Yeah, Chris. That really looks tacky. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Don't forget to flush mount....... You have plenty of space between instruments, someday in the future I will want redo my panel, but I will only have a 1/4”, not sure if that’s enough room for flush mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimM20F Posted April 6, 2018 Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 On 4/4/2018 at 12:10 AM, Andy95W said: I don't have one, but I don't think this the case. Their website says it displays vertical guidance (LPV and ILS) and the picture shows it like this: Andy, Thanks for clarifying this for me! I couldn't find anything on their site about GS on the G5. However, I should have been more specific in my post. The G5, to my knowledge, will not display GS info from anything other than a GNS or GTN series. The Aspen will accept GS input from older equipment, like my KX-155, which makes it work for me. I'm on the fence about just adding a GTN650 and then I could use the G5's. I so still like the Aspen better. But I think I would need to replace the sheet metal on the pilot side of my 1968 M20F to get the Aspen to fit. I wish Garmin, like Apple, wasn't becoming so proprietary in their products. As an example, I have the GDL 52 portable ADSB/Sirius XM/ADHRS receiver. It is amazing but only works with Garmin portables and the Garmin Pilot App. You'd think a more open architecture would sell more products. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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