thinwing Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 I was looking at before and after photos of Santa Monica airport...it appears the 5000 ft runway is still there ,it just has been Re striped to 3500.So if you are used to the visual cues and you accidentally come in hot...what violation is possible if you land short or over run into the striped area at the end?Is this a common violation?Any of you landed at the new runway?Did it seem strange to have such long displaced area.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INA201 Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 A displaced threshold allows for taxi and takeoff but this looks like a no use zone. I'll defer to someone smarter than me however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwing Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Thanks for the photo...purposely shorting a runway is new in my experience...I'm not familiar with a no use zone...at least it gives a great approach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwing Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 This shows those markings as a blat pad or runway overrun area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcopolo Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 They paid how much for the new striping, $3.5m is what I remember reading....I'm in the wrong business! Ron 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwing Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 I wonder what it would cost to restore runway back to 5000 if the city loses its suit with nbaa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danb Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 What's the sense to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB65E Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Based here. It will be a violation. They also have given several phone numbers that have turned off early. You must use the taxi way exits now. One 182 did use the overrun area at the end of the runway. There is a 1mo grace period for pilots that run past the 3500ft. Violations start on Jan 23. We just scrubbed a flight due to wet runway performance... -Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB65E Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 The Justice Department will most likely favor the FAA on the law suit. It sucks. -Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6758N Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 49 minutes ago, Danb said: What's the sense to this? They are trying to limit jet traffic so they can eventually close the airport down and build more stupid houses. All those loud jets taking off our disturbing the neighbors, because we all know those people were there long before the airport was built... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danb Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Sounds like California 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, Danb said: Sounds like California Correction. Sounds like the "west side" of Los Angeles - which just happens to be in California! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooneymite Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 As a guy who frequented SMO as a jet pilot, I'm sorry our customers have lost the convenience, but as a jet pilot.... YIPPEE! The place was an awful mix of fast/slow traffic...and most of the time too much of it. We often got RA's and many jet operators got expensive noise violations. The city did everything possible to hinder operations, charged high fees and made us feel unwelcome. Good bye. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwing Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, MB65E said: Based here. It will be a violation. They also have given several phone numbers that have turned off early. You must use the taxi way exits now. One 182 did use the overrun area at the end of the runway. There is a 1mo grace period for pilots that run past the 3500ft. Violations start on Jan 23. We just scrubbed a flight due to wet runway performance... -Matt I was afraid of that ..go into the yellow stripes ,get charged with careless,reckless operation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyBound Posted January 8, 2018 Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Hello Fellow Mooniacs, As many of you know I am working tirelessly at NBAA to make sure that this shortening is a temporary one. Just to clarify a few of the items being discussed here: The runway is now a hard 3,500 feet with raised threshold lights at each end. While the pavement is still there, rolling beyond the threshold would be considered a runway excursion and will likely cause some damage to your landing gear. Here is the City's info graphic depicting the changes. Note the new taxiways to be used as the only new exit points off the runway. The Department of Justice is the arm of the government representing the FAA. The lawsuit is being heard in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. The FAA exceeded it's statutory authority by the way the Agency handled the Settlement Agreement, NBAA's position is that we have a strong case and if we prevail in court the City of Santa Monica will have to restore the runway. Please see the following article for more details: https://www.nbaa.org/ops/airports/smo/nbaa-continues-legal-efforts-to-preserve-access-to-smo.php In the past one could exist the runway at any point, the recent project has also created new taxiways. They are currently only depicted on the Jepp chart. Please be sure to only exit at the designated taxiway areas. Noise abatement is also a concern. Since the runway was shortened, the noise monitors were not moved and aircraft will now be starting their takeoff roll approximately 735 feet closer to the sensor and thus be closer and louder over the monitor. Please let me know if you receive a warning or a violation. See this article for more info https://www.nbaa.org/ops/airports/smo/shortened-smo-runway-may-affect-airport-noise-readings.php and the City's website for noise abatement procedures for piston aircraft https://www.smgov.net/Departments/Airport/Pilots/Propeller_Aircraft_Procedures.aspx. SMO is a case of national importance - please consider supporting the Santa Monica Airport Association (SMAA), the organization working hard to fight the anti-airport groups and the City of Santa Monica, promote the airport and preserve its future. Keep in mind that the settlement agreement and the consent decree only say that after 2028 the fate of the airport is in the hands of City Council. SMAA is working hard to change its composition and to make sure that they vote with the benefit to all the citizens of the city in mind, not just the select local minority. Please visit www.santamonicaairport.info. They have a "National Supporter" category. Feel free to PM me if you'd like more info. --Alex 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Nice details, Alex. Thanks for sharing! Best regards, -a- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylw314 Posted January 10, 2018 Report Share Posted January 10, 2018 Fortunately, it looks like the RNAV 21 approach is back up and running, I noticed it was NOTAM'd out for a while with the construction (or destruction). For single-engine ops, I thought SMO was fine. Cost was about $20 a night for tiedowns/landing fee, which is actually what I have to pay for car parking at PDX if I flew commercial. 100LL was about $5.50 gal last summer. For sure, flying into TOA (Torrance) is cheaper, but you have to overfly the LAX Class B surface area to get there. Would hate to see it go away since it has so much history and is near our friends/family 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffy Posted January 11, 2018 Report Share Posted January 11, 2018 I was based there in the 70s when this all started. We called it Moscow West then. They put up 20ft tall letters on the berm facing the landing aircraft "NO JETS" They lost that one a long time ago. This is nothing new. The city has been after it for decades. Any of the nice big jet hangars going for cheap now? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB65E Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 1/11/2018 at 3:57 PM, cliffy said: I was based there in the 70s when this all started. We called it Moscow West then. They put up 20ft tall letters on the berm facing the landing aircraft "NO JETS" They lost that one a long time ago. This is nothing new. The city has been after it for decades. Any of the nice big jet hangars going for cheap now? :-) Nope, they rented the 2 big ones to Snapchat for storage and office space!! Im trying to find a hangar with a 21ft door and the two of the three are rented to snap. The third is another company without aircraft! That said, the rent will be $20k plus a month!! And no subleases!! -Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylw314 Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 How did they get around the whole "need to be used for aviation purposes" thing there? I heard it was kind of an untold truth that the many hangars were blatantly rented out for non-aviation use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB65E Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Welcome to SMO! -Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinwing Posted January 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 This is really sad...it's a perfect example how a vocal politically connected minority can be voted into office and exercise an agenda that the majority have no real opinion on...my last ride with a cab driver in Santa Monica ...he stated he could care less what happens to airport! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 13 hours ago, thinwing said: This is really sad...it's a perfect example how a vocal politically connected minority can be voted into office and exercise an agenda that the majority have no real opinion on...my last ride with a cab driver in Santa Monica ...he stated he could care less what happens to airport! This describes the majority of politics everywhere, all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 13 hours ago, thinwing said: This is really sad...it's a perfect example how a vocal politically connected minority can be voted into office and exercise an agenda that the majority have no real opinion on...my last ride with a cab driver in Santa Monica ...he stated he could care less what happens to airport! Be thankful he even knew the city has an airport. Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy0681 Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 1:47 PM, Danb said: Sounds like California I guess you don't remember Meigs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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