LANCECASPER Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 My favorite 182's are the early straight tails with 40 degrees of manual flaps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 9 hours ago, LANCECASPER said: Remind me to never use that IA. Are you an IA? Did your IA pal say different? I am not trying to cause any trouble, I am genuinely interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LANCECASPER Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 20 minutes ago, steingar said: Are you an IA? Did your IA pal say different? I am not trying to cause any trouble, I am genuinely interested. I was just saying that if the IA was that picky on removing a seat, I can only imagine what he would be like on an annual inspection. Very very few, but some IA's, (I've only had this experience with one in 30+ years of flying) just because they can, look for an excuse to ground an airplane - it's a power thing. (On the other hand, my IA helped me take out all of my seats for re-upholstery and we installed a loaner pilot seat while so I could fly it to FL for avionics works while the interior was being reupholstered. This guy used to be Mooney's Chief Inspector.) Back when checks were not electronically processed guys in General Aviation used to get hired to do check hauls every night. Many of them flew with just the pilot seat so they could haul more checks. While it's the responsibility of the pilot in command to make sure that weight and balance are within limits, I've never heard of any other paperwork associated with removing a seat. Think about all of the Cessna 182's and 206's that are used for jump airplanes with only the pilot seat installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steingar Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 You raise a really good point. Perhaps this guys was mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, LANCECASPER said: My favorite 182's are the early straight tails with 40 degrees of manual flaps. I learned in Cessna's with 40-degrees of flaps, both 172s and 150s, and the club that I worked at had a 1959 182 with the straight tail and manual flaps. When I came back to the states and was finishing my license I flew a 172 with the (then new) 30-deg flap limitation. I kept trying to push the lever down more for that extra ten degrees. I still miss it when I fly 172s...that last ten degrees is like putting out a parachute. And some old O-1 Bird-dogs had 60 degrees of flaps. I've wanted to fly one of those just to try that. Edited September 15, 2017 by EricJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbridges Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 23 hours ago, salty said: Wife: She doesn't complain I didn't know that was possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted September 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 Just now, rbridges said: I didn't know that was possible. About that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsxrpilot Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 3 hours ago, steingar said: Are you an IA? Did your IA pal say different? I am not trying to cause any trouble, I am genuinely interested. While my 252 was down for maintenance... involving three different shops, I flew it several times with only the pilot seat installed. In fact the very last thing done as I was waiting to pick it up for the final time after the big job, was to install the right seat. All in all I logged probably close to 10 hours of flight time without the right seat. Much of that was with various IA's looking on as I took off. No one ever even mentioned that it was a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 The seats come out without tools. What's the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted September 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hank said: The seats come out without tools. What's the problem? Not the back seat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, salty said: Not the back seat I don't remember, it's been 10 years . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooneymite Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 I only remove seats while running LOP doing touch-and-goes with bladders. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted September 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 4 hours ago, Mooneymite said: I only remove seats while running LOP doing touch-and-goes with bladders. When over gross and an expired annual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amillet Posted September 15, 2017 Report Share Posted September 15, 2017 5 hours ago, salty said: Not the back seat Mine do. Seat pads are velcoed on. Seat backs slip off the vertical adjustable tilt rails. I took them out for my Oshkosh flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKlott Posted September 16, 2017 Report Share Posted September 16, 2017 12 hours ago, LANCECASPER said: My favorite 182's are the early straight tails with 40 degrees of manual flaps. One good, solid airplane! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted September 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 I heard a rumor this morning of an alteration (STC maybe) that you can convert your back seat to a folding version. Am looking for more info on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 57 minutes ago, salty said: I heard a rumor this morning of an alteration (STC maybe) that you can convert your back seat to a folding version. Am looking for more info on that. It's posted here. I was very interested in it until I discovered that I have factory folding, split rear seat. It'sa nice!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy95W Posted September 19, 2017 Report Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, salty said: I heard a rumor this morning of an alteration (STC maybe) that you can convert your back seat to a folding version. Am looking for more info on that. Found it! Scroll down to March 19, 2011. There is a PDF posted. I'm re-doing my interior this winter. 90% sure I'll be including this mid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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