peevee Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Is this really happening right now? It's oil. Get over it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 It's about mixing the oil. You are more than welcome to join the discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Just now, Tommy said: It's about mixing the oil. You are more than welcome to join the discussion If I gave two shits I might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 minute ago, peevee said: If I gave two shits I might. Well, I can't wait to the day that your bowel is working. Thanks for...errr... "dropping" by! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy95W Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 56 minutes ago, peevee said: If I gave two shits I might. I'm flying a single engine airplane that was built 53 years ago. This issue is so far down the list of my concerns it doesn't even make a distant blip on my radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browncbr1 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 13 hours ago, Yooper Rocketman said: Saw on interesting presentation by Mike Busch this morning about runnng past TBO. Seems the hard data shows serious engine failure rates are significantly higher in the first 500 hours after overhaul than any other time frame of the engine's life. The engine time reviewed went well past TBO on the charts without ever getting back up to the rate of newly rebuilt engines. Amazingly when I toured the Continental Engine Factory last fall and discussed my 400 past TBO engine in the Rocket, EVERY tech or manager I spoke with said " keep running it!" Anyway, oils came up during the presentation and he recommends Aeroshell W100 and Camguard as the best oil for present engines and avgas ( with lead), providing you can work within the ambient temps conducive for straight weight oil. Phillips 20/50 XC was his recommendation for multi viscosity for good reason. The Aeroshell multi viscosity is 50% synthetic, which would be his first choice if not for leaded fuel. Only petroleum based oils will suspend lead so the lead scavenging ability of Aeroshell multi weight is half that of Phillips 20/50XC. As far as W100x, he felt the additive package in Camguard was better than that and using two additives (W100X AND Camguard) was of no benefit As usual, Mike presented hard facts to back his presentation. I highly recommend finding this one on the EAA website where he has something like 70 forums on record. Tom Are you sure he said Phillips is best multigrade? I watched his oil webinar and distinctly remember him saying Phillips is the worst because there is too much synthetic in it???? ive been using elite because it basically already contains can guard, so the realized cost seems to be about the same, but I do add some avblend to help suspend dirt. I enjoy not having to worry about oil type in all seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) Philips contains no synthetic. That's aero shell 15w50. You should alert ed kollin about Exxon containing camguard. They are stealing his patented formula. He is a chemist and a pilot as well. Edited July 27, 2017 by jetdriven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browncbr1 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 17 minutes ago, jetdriven said: Philips contains no synthetic. That's aero shell 15w50. You should alert ed kollin about Exxon containing camguard. They are stealing his patented formula. He is a chemist and a pilot as well. Oh, I must have gotten them mixed up in my memory. It's been a while since I watch the videos. From my understanding, the elite additives are similar to camguard, but not the same. Elite alone seems to provide 3-4 weeks of protection.. but, I usually fly every week, 2 weeks max. I've been happy with it and can usually find it for about $90 per case. Not too bad if you don't have to buy camguard also. I was able to get 3 cases on eBay once for $70 per case delivered. That was nice! All in all, oil cost is a fart in the wind in aviation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 A case of Phillips with camguard is about 90$ a case and you get all 25 chemicals in camguard, not just simply triphenyl phosphate or whatever it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browncbr1 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Is that just one bottle of camguard at oil change, or is that more camguard added as more oil is added for top off between oil changes? Just wondering if folks worry about adding more CG as oil is consumed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertGary1 Posted July 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 1/2 bottle of camguard per oil change is roughly how the mixture instructions work out. -Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 (edited) IIRC it supposed to be 5%, which works to something near 2 bottles per case. which is in the neighborhood of 90$ a case, laid in. with Spruce, shipping is free if over 500$. so when you get to 300$ its not much more effort to get 4 cases of oil to send it over the 500$ threshold and get free shipping on that heavy oil. Edited July 27, 2017 by jetdriven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNameIsNobody Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 13 hours ago, M20F said: I use the blood of virgins in mine. Prone to overheating... (Good one. Probably would of gotten me banned.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_elliott Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Those that come to the Mooney Summit will have the opportunity to win 4 bottles of cam guard (thanks Ed) Exxon Elite Oil change kit (thanks Lisa) Aeroshell Oil Change kit (thanks M20Doc, Clarence, Tri city Aero) I have tried for 3 years to get Phillips on board, but do not get any further than "that sounds great, call this guy...." this guy doesn't return calls. Who knows, maybe the same person will win it all, and mix it up! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 44 minutes ago, jetdriven said: IIRC it supposed to be 5%, which works to something near 2 bottles per case. which is in the neighborhood of 90$ a case, laid in. with Spruce, shipping is free if over 500$. so when you get to 300$ its not much more effort to get 4 cases of oil to send it over the 500$ threshold and get free shipping on that heavy oil. It's 1.6oz per qt of oil. I run 10qts on a change so a whole bottle. I or dose my oil with a big syringe, 1.6 ea so the makeup oil is dosed and no one has to think too hard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldguy Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, peevee said: It's 1.6oz per qt of oil. I run 10qts on a change so a whole bottle. I or dose my oil with a big syringe, 1.6 ea so the makeup oil is dosed and no one has to think too hard. 1.6 oz per qt for me in my J as well. I believe it was from @Bob_Belville at one of the Mooney Summits where I first heard of "pre-loading" quarts of oil with Camguard to minimize mistakes. Using a turkey basting syringe makes it easy to load up each quart in a case for an oil change or to add as required. With the label printer I have, I tag each one to make sure no one grabs it without knowing it has Camguard pre-loaded in it. I also switched to Phillips multi-grade a couple years back from AeroShell. I noticed two things. I ended up using less oil between changes and my oil temps seemed to be about 10 F cooler. No hard data capture, plotting, trending and analyzing, but simply noticing I no longer touch 200 even when climbing out in the summer here in Alabama. What works for me, works for me. YMMV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Fancy. I just mark the bottles with a sharpie c 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 As a newbie aircraft owner that lives in Arkansas, I have been using (and changing) my oil with the same stuff that has been used before. I get an oil analysis each change with good results. From research and experience of others, I am finding that my engine would be happier with straight 100W especially for the summer with Camguard. My engine flies two-five times per week and has for the last 1000 hours or so. From what I am reading, I might need to switch to 100W Aero + Camgard for maximum protection? What is the consensus for multigrade in the winter? Phillips XC? (weight?) And the Phillips has the Camguard or is it better separate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldguy Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 hour ago, peevee said: Fancy. I just mark the bottles with a sharpie c Any chance to use a computer..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXX Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 hour ago, mike_elliott said: Those that come to the Mooney Summit will have the opportunity to win 4 bottles of cam guard (thanks Ed) Exxon Elite Oil change kit (thanks Lisa) Aeroshell Oil Change kit (thanks M20Doc, Clarence, Tri city Aero) I have tried for 3 years to get Phillips on board, but do not get any further than "that sounds great, call this guy...." this guy doesn't return calls. Who knows, maybe the same person will win it all, and mix it up! Thanks Ed, Lisa and Clarence. Boo Phillips! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXX Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 hour ago, peevee said: Fancy. I just mark the bottles with a sharpie c +1, go sharpie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXX Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hyett6420 said: but then you go down to 80W plus and you are ok. we change form 80 to 100 plus around March time and back again around November time on AL. ALways used Shell strsaight oils rather than the ones with a W in the middle of two numbers. Not used Camguard yet, but im interested in it. The guy at the summit last year sold me on it with one slide, then he sent me to sleep as he was too technical and lost me and put me off it again!. Andrew Ed is a damn smart guy. I barely made it past high school. I too was sold in the first 2 minutes. The rest fried my brain. Glad there are guys like Ed out there looking out for our engines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldguy Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 53 minutes ago, Bryan said: As a newbie aircraft owner that lives in Arkansas, I have been using (and changing) my oil with the same stuff that has been used before. I get an oil analysis each change with good results. From research and experience of others, I am finding that my engine would be happier with straight 100W especially for the summer with Camguard. My engine flies two-five times per week and has for the last 1000 hours or so. From what I am reading, I might need to switch to 100W Aero + Camgard for maximum protection? What is the consensus for multigrade in the winter? Phillips XC? (weight?) And the Phillips has the Camguard or is it better separate? From your post, it appears your engine has liked what it has in it for the last 1000 hours. If your analysis on each change has stayed fairly consistent, and your engine never sits long enough to let the oil completely drain off of everything, I would be tempted to leave well enough alone. Just my $0.02 worth from someone without a turbo like yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Belville Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 I use Blackstone Labs for oil analysis. Their newsletter this week has an article in answer to the FAQ: "What oil should I use?" I suspect the article can be read on their website. Edit: https://www.blackstone-labs.com/which-oil-to-use.php 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Peace Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 What does this all have to do with touch N Gos ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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