M20S Driver Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Gravel Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Don't know if this question was already asked, but does it take AP inputs (or output to the AP) whichever is the way it is supposed to communicate with the AP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M20S Driver Posted May 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, Ned Gravel said: Don't know if this question was already asked, but does it take AP inputs (or output to the AP) whichever is the way it is supposed to communicate with the AP? Very good question. It is useless to me if it does not communicate with my STEC-30 AP.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Don't know if this question was already asked, but does it take AP inputs (or output to the AP) whichever is the way it is supposed to communicate with the AP? No, it does not. Useless for those looking to upgrade and have an autopilot. It can also only receive input from a few Garmin boxes, and none of the old stuff. I'm hopeful that the capability will be extended in time...I'd love two of these but need a heading bug and autopilot compatibility with my STEC 30. As soon as that is allowed I'm a buyer.Sent from my LG-LS997 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, M20S Driver said: It must have an autopilot interface because the plane is doing 100 KTS at 5000 ft and nobody is flying! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Morbid curiosity, if you have a g5 hsi and ai and the ai fails can the hsi run revisionary and display the ai? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Morbid curiosity, if you have a g5 hsi and ai and the ai fails can the hsi run revisionary and display the ai? Yes, that is that beauty of their system, and why I want one, or two actually. Sent from my LG-LS997 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, peevee said: Morbid curiosity, if you have a g5 hsi and ai and the ai fails can the hsi run revisionary and display the ai? Just use ForeFlight. My freight dog friend did a leg the other day IMC using nothing but his IPad just to see if it can be done. He said it was easier then using the ships instruments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, N201MKTurbo said: Just use ForeFlight. My freight dog friend did a leg the other day IMC using nothing but his IPad just to see if it can be done. He said it was easier then using the ships instruments. All I need to do is replace our Aspen mfd500 with a mfd1k and I can run revisionary and have a backup ahrs. Why the previous owner out in a 500 I'll never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbridges Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 these may not be perfect, but it is a good omen of things to come regarding certified avionics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Just now, rbridges said: these may not be perfect, but it is a good omen of things to come regarding certified avionics. Hope so! It'll be huge for the non autopilot guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradp Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Folks are hoping it will interface with analog autopilots via GAD-43/e. I'm hoping they will activate the RS-232 out for the digital autopilot retrofits that are in the works. I personally am going to put a single G5 in as an AI at annual and wait until Oshkosh to see what Garmin has to offer. Best case scenario- Garmin GPSS box with two inputs - both digital - so I can use the heading select on the G5 HSI with my analog autopilot AND ability to configure the RS-232 to give heading error for the true track AP in the future. Fallback for me will be either a G5 with a sandel in a stepwise fashion or an Aspen.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigers2007 Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I thought there was some rumor that they would make these work with autopilots by the time Oshkosh rolls around. Im dead set on the Aspen VFR PFD w/ACU unless Garmin can make two G5's work with my Century IIb. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peevee Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, tigers2007 said: I thought there was some rumor that they would make these work with autopilots by the time Oshkosh rolls around. Im dead set on the Aspen VFR PFD w/ACU unless Garmin can make two G5's work with my Century IIb. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Once they get the stc worked out to be a backup I'd consider it also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfather Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I don't think the G5 will ever pair with the older AP. However, they might certify the Garmin experimental system which would be a great upgrade path for those without working AP's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 39 minutes ago, Godfather said: I don't think the G5 will ever pair with the older AP. However, they might certify the Garmin experimental system which would be a great upgrade path for those without working AP's. Or for those with older autopilots built by BK who may be in process of being handed a bad deal to keep their systems up and running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N201MKTurbo Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 All they would have to do would be to emulate the sin/cos output of the resolvers. Any micro can easily do that with two A/Ds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesm Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 So is the sin/cos method related to the term "rate based" autopilot? ( I believe STEC 20/30 and Brittan are example of rated based Auto pilots) or is sin/cos the result of actual position versus calculate position from that I would suspect as an output from HSI / Altimeter ? or I am way off ???? where as commercial airliner use "attitude based" auto pilot so I am told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 The sin/cos is related to the resolver output of the vor needle function. Rate based autopilots use rate of turn info from the T/C to give input to the autopilot. The plane actually has to turn a slight amount to respond. Attitude-based autopilots have a roll and a heading input. More deluxe versions also have a pitch input, vor needle deflection input, course, and heading input as well. Airliners use a platform output from the IRS or INS. It's a pitch and bank reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I think this will be an exciting Oshkosh 17' in terms of avionics announcements. I would install some kind of new autopilot if BK really does plan to leave us high and dry with an extortion-level maintenance plan and if there is some exciting new AP coming down the pike. -G5 attitude and hsi with some kind of garmin digital autopilot to match driven by these G5. PS please add svt to G5. -G3X with digital autopilot certified for us (this is what I really want). -Dynon Skyview with autopilot for us. -Avidyne DFC900 - I would take that too even if it will be more expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTK Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 A little birdie spilled the beans. Whispered to me to look for autopilot support and "probably" GPSS in the G5 by Oshkosh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carqwik Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 I can see the day of replacing the vacuum AI and electric DG with two G5s...and an A/P interface to my B/K KFC-150...all for well under $10k. Bye bye to the vacuum system, much better reliability of primary instruments, reversion capability for the AI, and a smoother (?) A/P. Oh wait...if my A/P craps out....it's gonna be how much to fix it??? Damn....B/K just ruined my dream! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocks Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 What is the benefit of those gauges over a single Aspen PFD that does all those things and actually interfaces with the AP , etcSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M20S Driver Posted May 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 Just now, "Chocks" said: What is the benefit of those gauges over a single Aspen PFD that does all those things and actually interfaces with the AP , etc Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Is the cost comparable including installation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTK Posted May 13, 2017 Report Share Posted May 13, 2017 1 hour ago, "Chocks" said: What is the benefit of those gauges over a single Aspen PFD that does all those things and actually interfaces with the AP , etc Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Latest and greatest tech, dual AHRS, reversion, dual 4 hour batteries and it's from Garmin. Aspen is older technology. Hopefully they can come out with something new as well. Let me rephrase...they have to bring out something new. Their survival depends on it! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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