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I flew over New Garden this morning on a nice IFR flight down to Easton, MD and was wondering if there is a plan for IFR approaches into the field when Modena VOR shuts down? I can't find any updates on the FAA website and thought someone here would know.

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I flew over New Garden this morning on a nice IFR flight down to Easton, MD and was wondering if there is a plan for IFR approaches into the field when Modena VOR shuts down? I can't find any updates on the FAA website and thought someone here would know.
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Garry - I and 3 other Mooneys are based at N57. The VOR will be up for some time to come. I believe it is on the slated to be decommissioned list somewhere after 2020 but before 2025.

All that said, we just completed a $7M+ runway renovation. Part of the funding for that project included removal of all the trees that would interfere with the TERPS requirements for two new RNAV approaches. The airport manager is very active and is actively working with the FAA to get our approaches designed and implemented. I expected these new approaches to be available by sometime in 2018.

The VOR approach isn't the greatest with a MDA of 1020/1040 based on KILG's barometric pressure. Worst case is we end up either at KILG or KMQS until the weather improves.

Come visit next time.


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Just now, Marauder said:

Garry - I and 3 other Mooneys are based at N57. The VOR will be up for some time to come. I believe it is on the slated to be decommissioned list somewhere after 2020 but before 2025.

What!? They're going to decommission their precious Modena? How are they going to be able to route everyone the furthest way possible around philly without it??

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What!? They're going to decommission their precious Modena? How are they going to be able to route everyone the furthest way possible around philly without it??


We'll make sure we leave the shell of it in the ground just for you! My fear is they will begin routing us through PTW!


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Just now, teejayevans said:


Given that class B only goes to 7000', if you flightplan for 8000+ then you should just fly over the top, yes?

We're too close and we're often flying to local airports in the vicinity. Also, on an IFR coming back from the southeast, they send me west of Philly to Modena before allowing me to turn back east to Linden. It's a zoo.

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2 minutes ago, Marauder said:

 


We'll make sure we leave the shell of it in the ground just for you! My fear is they will begin routing us through PTW!


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Could be worse. Could be all the way out to LRP!

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13 minutes ago, 201er said:

We're too close and we're often flying to local airports in the vicinity. Also, on an IFR coming back from the southeast, they send me west of Philly to Modena before allowing me to turn back east to Linden. It's a zoo.

So if you're flying south like you have before  (Fort Pierce), what do you do given good weather?

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Just now, teejayevans said:

So if you're flying south like you have before  (Fort Pierce), what do you do given good weather?

This is why, except when necessary, I only fly VFR in the vicinity of NY/Philly and go direct. Even if it means staying below the weather and climbing above it beyond.

The image on the left illustrates my typical return from somewhere down south. All is good and direct until I reach Salisbury. Then without fail I receive a reroute that takes me west of Philly. The stupidest bit is that the approach for Linden starts about 15 south of the airport directly on the route. I've even tried filing to the fix where the approach begins. Without fail they send me around Philly. So if at all possible, I cancel and go straight in VFR.

Even when going VFR in the vicinity with flight following, they'll still find a way to send me to Modena even if I'm going completely the other way.

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This is why, except when necessary, I only fly VFR in the vicinity of NY/Philly and go direct. Even if it means staying below the weather and climbing above it beyond.
The image on the left illustrates my typical return from somewhere down south. All is good and direct until I reach Salisbury. Then without fail I receive a reroute that takes me west of Philly. The stupidest bit is that the approach for Linden starts about 15 south of the airport directly on the route. I've even tried filing to the fix where the approach begins. Without fail they send me around Philly. So if at all possible, I cancel and go straight in VFR.
Even when going VFR in the vicinity with flight following, they'll still find a way to send me to Modena even if I'm going completely the other way.
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It cost me a lot of money to convince the Philly controllers to do this to you :-)


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1 hour ago, 201er said:

What!? They're going to decommission their precious Modena? How are they going to be able to route everyone the furthest way possible around philly without it??

The will convert it to MODNA... Just like LAAYK.  

Have you seen the routing from 1N7 to KHPN and other south CT airports?  FJC LAAYK T216 IGN KHPN.   That takes you half way to Albany. 

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Just now, PaulM said:

The will convert it to MODNA... Just like LAAYK.  

Have you seen the routing from 1N7 to KHPN and other south CT airports?  FJC LAAYK T216 IGN KHPN.   That takes you half way to Albany. 

No way!? It's not just Sparta direct? Whenever I'm going IFR north of Linden, even if I'm going east, Sparta always has to be in the mix.

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Mike a trick from an old salt CFI for getting where you want to go in that corridor. File for somewhere that the computer can't possibly take you out west of philly say ACY and MJX. Put linden as your alternate. Once you've gamed the system indicate you would like to continue to your alternate as your final destination as your fuel management currently allows for it.


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Just now, bradp said:

Mike a trick from an old salt CFI for getting where you want to go in that corridor. File for somewhere that the computer can't possibly take you out west of philly say ACY and MJX. Put linden as your alternate. Once you've gamed the system indicate you would like to continue to your alternate as your final destination as your fuel management currently allows for it.

Do you really think that's ok? Also, what makes you think they wouldn't send me around philly to go to those either?

I've definitely tried to file waypoints that would make it suitable for approaching linden and I'll be cleared as filed from where I'm coming. But it is practically guaranteed that Washington Center or Potomac Approach will in the vicinity issue me a revised full route clearance around Philly via Modena. Even with a Compassion callsign!

 

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Just now, 201er said:

No way!? It's not just Sparta direct? Whenever I'm going IFR north of Linden, even if I'm going east, Sparta always has to be in the mix.

IF you file SAX ->D  (starting from the VOR not the ground)  and talk to ZNY in the air you can get that routing.   Otherwise you are talking to ABE approach, and they always send you to FJC.. and the computer just loves LAAYK from there.   part of the problem is that rwy25 departures are ABE...and rwy7 is ZNY..   At best I will get FJC -> HUO -> from the computer, and the ABE controller will modify that to FJC -> SCOUP -> HUO.. since they will give you D->SCOUP as soon as you are radar identified and above the MVA.  It is all the lost comm procedure, 1N7 to FJC is down the valley, where V162 is right on the mountain ridge.   
I only get good NorthEast/Boston/NH routes from KMMU (BREZY V39) ... further out the TEC system pushes you way north. 

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No way!? It's not just Sparta direct? Whenever I'm going IFR north of Linden, even if I'm going east, Sparta always has to be in the mix.

 

When we did that Mooney fly-in to Orange County, this is the route I got.

 

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So back at ya.

 

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2 minutes ago, Marauder said:

When we did that Mooney fly-in to Orange County, this is the route I got.

 

I get that same route when I head anywhere in that direction. As soon as I'm up with ABE I'm asking for shortcuts. Almost always they give me SCOUP to HUO then direct to wherever I'm going.

I've had success with the file for one airport knowing my destination is my alternate...that was an extenuating circumstance and I would not recommend it as a regular or even occasional practice. Philly had a ground stop and the weather was crap but that's where we needed to go. I filed for LOM and listed PHL as the alternate. As soon as I was handed off to Philly I told them I needed to divert to my alternate because weather at LOM was below mins (which it just happened to be so it wasn't a complete fib).  The controller slid me right over to the ILS for 9 and we landed without any issues. I always have three or four back up plans just in case. That's not one of them usually. 

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40 minutes ago, teejayevans said:

On related note, has anyone tried to just fly over DC airspace, 11000 or better and gotten direct, or do they also send you the long way around because of the TFR?

I would not recommend you try it and give the TFR a wide berth.  You will likely get a Blackhawk or jet fighter escort.  They take that TFR very seriously around here.

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18 hours ago, teejayevans said:

On related note, has anyone tried to just fly over DC airspace, 11000 or better and gotten direct, or do they also send you the long way around because of the TFR?

The SFRA goes to 18000'.  Ok, 17999'. You might be able to get a VFR SFRA clearance to pass through the outer ring, say along the route OTT to BAL at 11,500.  

You would file VFR SFRA flight plan with (say) WHINO gate as your entry. WOOLY gate could be your exit gate.  

About 20 south you'd call ATC to get transponder  code and entry clearance. Once inside you'd need to either avoid or get clearance into class B airspace--the SFRA clearance does not automatically grant you any other clearance. 

It is worth a try.  

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