United Incident

[PTK]

4 hours ago, Tommy said:

 

And with the same reasoning and logics as yours, wouldn't Jews be considered interfering with German Third Reich and Jews had no rights but to abide since they were living in Germany? And the minute they started arguing, they should be all rounded up and put in the camp?

Just like you said, they needed to follow the rules. Right?

 

You are trivializing the Holocaust by making such a reference. Your attempt to describe something totally unrelated to it and trivializing it in such a way is nothing short of pathetic.

Sir, I am truly speechless.

[MyNameIsNobody]

49 minutes ago, MooneyMitch said:

Maybe.......just my feeble attempt at jocularity.

Funny.  My response was my lame attempt at humour

 

[KLRDMD]

Interesting findings about the good Dr. Dao.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/04/11/united-airlines-doctor-convicted-drugs-sex/

The passenger who was savagely removed from United flight 3411 is a medical doctor with a sordid history.

Dr. David Dao was charged in 2005 with 98 felony drug counts for illegally prescribing and trafficking painkillers. Prosecutors claimed Dao fraudulently filled prescriptions for hydocodone, Oxycontin and Percocet.

Dr. Dao was also convicted on 6 felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud and deceit and in 2005 was given 5 years probation.

Dao was also convicted for writing prescriptions and checks to a patient in exchange for sex.

In medical board documents ... Dao denied paying for sex, but indicated he accepted sexual favors from an associate in exchange for reducing a debt that associate owed him.

In February, 2005, Dr. Dao surrendered his license to practice medicine in Kentucky. In 2015 the medical board lifted the suspension and allowed him to practice medicine with some restrictions. Last year, the medical board imposed even more restrictions -- now he can only practice internal medicine in an outpatient facility one day a week.

Interestingly, and relevant to the United incident, one doctor assessing Dao's case said he had interpersonal problems, noting "... he would unilaterally choose to do his own thing." 

[KLRDMD]

http://heavy.com/news/2017/04/david-dao-united-doctor-airlines-louisville-kentucky-passenger-removed-video-photos/

[Jim Peace]

15 minutes ago, KLRDMD said:

Interesting findings about the good Dr. Dao.

interesting yes,,,,,, but what does it matter in this situation?

 

[KLRDMD]

Just now, Jim Peace said:

interesting yes,,,,,, but what does it matter in this situation?

I believe it demonstrates a history of mental illness.

[Tom]

3 minutes ago, PTK said:

You are trivializing the Holocaust by making such a specific reference.

I don't agree.  Quite the opposite.  Let's turn to Stanley Milgram.  Milgram's research was motivated by trying to understand how Germans committed or at least supported atrocities against the Jews.  Milgram taught us that 2/3 of people will, for whatever combination of reasons, side with authority, even if doing so will cause their fellow man suffer.  Just like the Germans. 

In this case we have a man who, by all accounts, legally bought a plane ticket, boarded the plane, wasn't doing anything wrong, then was singled out against his will to get off the plane so that another passenger could take his spot.  No humanitarian crisis, no extra-ordinary accommodation attempted by the airline.  Yet he was manhandled.

If watching the video doesn't raise you're hackles then I'd say that you don't understand the Holocaust. 

 

[Tom]

23 minutes ago, Jim Peace said:

interesting yes,,,,,, but what does it matter in this situation?

It doesn't matter.  Just victim blaming.

 

24 minutes ago, KLRDMD said:

I believe it demonstrates a history of mental illness.

You mean like experienced by dentists? 

-Dentists suffer psycho-neurotic disorders at a rate of 2 1/2 times greater than physicians.
-Emotional illness ranks third in order of frequency of health problems amongst dentists, while in the general population it ranks tenth.
-The suicide rate of dentists is more than twice the rate of the general population and almost three times higher than that of other white collar workers.
-One study summarized in the Journal of the American Dental Association examined more than 3,500 dentists. Thirty-eight percent reported feeling worried or anxious constantly or frequently. In the same study, 34% of respondents said they always or frequently felt physically or emotionally exhausted,

[Jim Peace]

21 minutes ago, KLRDMD said:

I believe it demonstrates a history of mental illness.

the only mental illness is from the gate agents and airline policy and their corporate culture by not offering more money for people to get off the plane....

If united could have a do over with 20/20 hindsight do you think they would up the $$ or do the same thing again.....

Is it mental illness to be seated in a seat you paid for and not want to involuntarlly spend the night in the murder capital of the USA?

Are you a doctor?  Can you determine if he is mentally ill or just has bad judgment............what are your credentials and your personal dealings with this individual who was just seated peacefully doing nothing wrong and waiting for the door to close?

 

[Yetti]

@United has updated their ticketing procedures in light of the current situation

 

[MyNameIsNobody]

19 minutes ago, Tom said:

I don't agree.  Quite the opposite.  Let's turn to Stanley Milgram.  Milgram's research was motivated by trying to understand how Germans committed or at least supported atrocities against the Jews.  Milgram taught us that 2/3 of people will, for whatever combination of reasons, side with authority, even if doing so will cause their fellow man suffer.  Just like the Germans. 

In this case we have a man who, by all accounts, legally bought a plane ticket, boarded the plane, wasn't doing anything wrong, then was singled out against his will to get off the plane so that another passenger could take his spot.  No humanitarian crisis, no extra-ordinary accommodation attempted by the airline.  Yet he was manhandled.

If watching the video doesn't raise you're hackles then I'd say that you don't understand the Holocaust. 

 

I reject your premise for comparison categorically.  EVERYONE on that plane was given a choice and then became subject to the "lottery".  What did the other three do?  They didn't say: We need four with the Star of David patch to exit the aircraft.  They didn't then send those that were in a select group (based on religion) to work in camps until they died.

If this is all you have you lose.  Society is based on structure and rules.  United to had choices as do I.  I refuse to fly through O'Hare.  I have had enough "bad" experiences that I will inconvenience myself versus flying through that airport.  United would be well down my list of airlines to fly, again based on personal experience.  I choose to not shop at Target and today chose to buy Harry's shaving products based on what Gillette did.

Jews had no choice.  

[Yetti]

Pepsi's is getting a free pass on their screw up thanks to united

[chrisk]

39 minutes ago, MyNameIsNobody said:

I reject your premise for comparison categorically.  EVERYONE on that plane was given a choice and then became subject to the "lottery".  What did the other three do?  They didn't say: We need four with the Star of David patch to exit the aircraft.  They didn't then send those that were in a select group (based on religion) to work in camps until they died.

If this is all you have you lose.  Society is based on structure and rules.  United to had choices as do I.  I refuse to fly through O'Hare.  I have had enough "bad" experiences that I will inconvenience myself versus flying through that airport.  United would be well down my list of airlines to fly, again based on personal experience.  I choose to not shop at Target and today chose to buy Harry's shaving products based on what Gillette did.

Jews had no choice.  

Apparently not quite a fair lottery.  It's not like a first class customer was going to get bumped, or a frequent flyer.  In that sense it is more like the Titanic, where in first class over a third of the men, almost all of the women and all the children survived. In second it was less than 10 per cent of the men, 84 per cent of the women and all the children. But in steerage 12 per cent of the men, 55 per cent of the women and less than one in three of the children survived.

[jetdriven]

6 hours ago, Tommy said:

 

And with the same reasoning and logics as yours, wouldn't Jews be considered interfering with German Third Reich and Jews had no rights but to abide since they were living in Germany? And the minute they started arguing, they should be all rounded up and put in the camp?

Just like you said, they needed to follow the rules. Right?

 

Ah, Godwin's law.  it only took 8 pages

 

[LANCECASPER]

2 hours ago, PTK said:

Sir, I am truly speechless.

Finally .. lol ..j/k

[Tom]

1 hour ago, MyNameIsNobody said:

I reject your premise for comparison categorically. .......

-You entirely miss the point.  You can "categorically" deny what you want.

-The point is about how the average man on the street responds to witnessing such events (i.e.2/3 sides with authority, 1/3 does not).  How 2/3 of any group of people naturally allow bad things to happen where 1/3 will not. 

[Mcstealth]

On April 10, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Tommy said:

I honestly cannot believe that you think there is more to the story? Then went on to say that it's in the contract of carriage. I am sure it doesn't say United will endeavour to beat you to the pulp if you don't voluntarily give up your seat. 

Sorry, how can I put this gently to you. You sir, are an imbecile... 

 

 

 

I must say I do not agree with your statement. I simply was not raised to act a complete fool when approached by one with athority. If the situation was explained to me, as reports indicate that this man was, I would not act like a pre-pubescent spoiled child demanding to have my way. I would have complied. This idiot decided he was more important than anyone else and decided not to comply. His choice got him there.

 

[FloridaMan]

I bought $20,000 of United stock today after it tanked. I'll sell it before the market closes. 

[Mcstealth]

On April 10, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Tommy said:

I honestly cannot believe that you think there is more to the story? Then went on to say that it's in the contract of carriage. I am sure it doesn't say United will endeavour to beat you to the pulp if you don't voluntarily give up your seat. 

Sorry, how can I put this gently to you. You sir, are an imbecile... 

 

 

 

Mr Tommy, 

Just because one does not agree with you position doesn't mean you can try and insult him. 

[Mcstealth]

On April 10, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Tommy said:

I can ensure you if any airline pulls this stunt in Australia, it will go out of business in 3 days. 

THIS GUY PAYS FOR YOUR SALARY. And you have the audacity to call him stupid? Just wait until you find out he is a cardiologist or a neurosurgeon.

Why? Does that make him more important than you? More important than me?

again, do not agree with your statement. No one is more important than you or me.

[gsxrpilot]

I'll be happily flying United each of the next three days. The only thing United has done wrong here is poor PR management. The unfortunate Dr was injured during an interaction with the Chicago Police Department, not United.

[KLRDMD]

35 minutes ago, rogerl said:

So his fellow physicians don't think much of him, personally or professionally ... 

It isn't simply that his fellow physicians don't think much of him, information revealed about his background may shed some light on his mental condition. I would argue that someone convicted of (not simply charged with, convicted of) the crimes he was is not a normal healthy human being from a mental standpoint.  Of course airport security did not know anything about that at the time but it may help to explain why he did what he did. Mentally ill people do not respond rationally.

[AndyFromCB]

3 hours ago, KLRDMD said:

In medical board documents ... Dao denied paying for sex, but indicated he accepted sexual favors from an associate in exchange for reducing a debt that associate owed him.

And that's why I only sleep with hookers that take credit. I'm not really paying for sex, I'm only increasing my debt.

[Tom]

44 minutes ago, Mcstealth said:

I must say I do not agree with your statement. I simply was not raised to act a complete fool when approached by one with athority. If the situation was explained to me, as reports indicate that this man was, I would not act like a pre-pubescent spoiled child demanding to have my way. I would have complied. This idiot decided he was more important than anyone else and decided not to comply. His choice got him there.

I was raised to respect authority as well.  In the Marines I was taught to question orders that didn't seem legitimate or correct and to stand up for people who couldn't protect themselves. 

5 minutes ago, Mcstealth said:

Mr Tommy, 

Just because one does not agree with you position doesn't mean you can try and insult him. 

Oh for goodness sake....Binky time already.  Wow.  That was quick.  You mean insult like calling an old man prepubescent and an idiot?

[Mooneymite]

Mooneyspace........

Can't we return to a subject we all agree upon?

Superiority of Mooneys.

This thread has exposed sides of people I really don't care to know about.