Little Dipper Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 My XE Vision landing lamps were installed on my Ovation.. MY A&P said they fit well and installed easily. He said the only tough part was changing out the circuit breaker in my panel. I am pleased with the end result. These completely drown out the stock taxi lamps which I plan to replace next. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 Any heat issues while on the ground in your trials? Looks like darkness has been repealed with those lights on. Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonM Posted January 28, 2017 Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 I'm curious: why did you need to change the CB? Current draw is less than stock lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Dipper Posted January 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2017 27 minutes ago, carusoam said: Any heat issues while on the ground in your trials? Looks like darkness has been repealed with those lights on. Best regards, -a- I'm going to check that out this afternoon at the hangar but I don't believe it is any issue at all. Just now, PeytonM said: I'm curious: why did you need to change the CB? Current draw is less than stock lights. Less draw, 10 amps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted January 29, 2017 Report Share Posted January 29, 2017 I don't see how you can get around the faa's prohibition on HId landing lights, without an STC. For some reason they specifically spelled this out in a AC about cockpit displays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Dipper Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 4 hours ago, jetdriven said: I don't see how you can get around the faa's prohibition on HId landing lights, without an STC. For some reason they specifically spelled this out in a AC about cockpit displays. No kidding. Get an STC. Same thing goes for LEDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Little Dipper said: No kidding. Get an STC. Same thing goes for LEDs. The AC specifically calls out HID's. No mention of LED's, which have the same fit form and function as incandescent bulbs. Mine has an XEVision 50W too, but it was installed before the AC was published. For the record I think it's completely stupid. The fact it's hidden inside a document about cockpit displays is bizarre. Edited January 30, 2017 by jetdriven 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNameIsNobody Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 This should be a no-Brainer for FAA. I also had this installation completed (with a field approval BEFORE the unnecessary clamp down occured) and years later could not be happier. Power drain was a problem before. I literally could not see out of the old sealed beam light. It was unsafe. The HID is not hot, low draw and works. I use all the time after engine start and it has worked without issue for hundreds of hours. This is a BIG safety of flight upgrade that is just WRONG to not be easily available for install in GA aircraft. The install took all of about 4 hours with paperwork... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Dipper Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 10 hours ago, jetdriven said: The AC specifically calls out HID's. No mention of LED's, which have the same fit form and function as incandescent bulbs. Mine has an XEVision 50W too, but it was installed before the AC was published. Thanks. That is interesting. The FISDO did tell me that a STC was necessary for and LED installation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Thanks. That is interesting. The FISDO did tell me that a STC was necessary for and LED installation. What you will find is no two FSDOs are created the same. I had a sub panel approved in one FSDO and asked to be removed when I had additional work done in another FSDO's jurisdiction. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Marauder said: What you will find is no two FSDOs are created the same. I had a sub panel approved in one FSDO and asked to be removed when I had additional work done in another FSDO's jurisdiction. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk And that's just wrong! The rules need to be consistent, and that does NOT mean everyone should match the most restrictive interpretation available . . . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbridges Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Marauder said: What you will find is no two FSDOs are created the same. I had a sub panel approved in one FSDO and asked to be removed when I had additional work done in another FSDO's jurisdiction. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk that's about enough to make the average pilot go bang their head against a wall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Dipper Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Marauder said: What you will find is no two FSDOs are created the same. I had a sub panel approved in one FSDO and asked to be removed when I had additional work done in another FSDO's jurisdiction. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Marauder Question? When that happened what did you do? You had a valid STC under what basis could the FISDO ask you to remove it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 Marauder Question? When that happened what did you do? You had a valid STC under what basis could the FISDO ask you to remove it? In my case it wasn't an STC. So, by their interpretation, I had to remove it. I think if the STC is clear in the requirements, I have a hard time believing they would force you to remove something. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 And just for full disclosure, mine was done under a 337 with field approval.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted January 30, 2017 Report Share Posted January 30, 2017 4 hours ago, Little Dipper said: Thanks. That is interesting. The FISDO did tell me that a STC was necessary for and LED installation. They're wrong about that. PAR46 is PAR46 when you have the exact same dimensions and the same screw terminals on the back. But to their credit they say STC for everything. It's far easier to call it what it is, a minor alteration, and log it without notifying them. They aren't required to be notified for those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertGary1 Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 On 1/30/2017 at 9:37 AM, Hank said: And that's just wrong! The rules need to be consistent, and that does NOT mean everyone should match the most restrictive interpretation available . . . That's why you get an stc instead of relying on field approvals for your product. -Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 If it's not a major alteration no field approval is needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Dipper Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Landing lights on short final into Pennridge. I can see them almost lighting up the ground before the runway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertGary1 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 I wonder what that will do for a low IMC approach. Might be better to turn it off?? -Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Dipper Posted February 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Just now, RobertGary1 said: I wonder what that will do for a low IMC approach. Might be better to turn it off?? -Robert Absolutely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronk25 Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 I put in the XE Vision 50w about 3 years ago love it. The factory light was flat dangerous at small low light airports. Great product. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philiplane Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 I've done lots of XeVision HID installs under Field Approvals. It isn't a minor alteration since the technology is different from incandescent lamps. The ballasts, high voltage cables, and igniters can emit RFI that can interfere with radios and navigation equipment if the shielding is not up to par. As such HID light systems have to comply with DO-160 and be tested for interference with VHF radio systems on specified frequencies, just like GPS navigation equipment is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastGlasair Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) All of our Xevision cables are double shielded (braided and foil both) and the outer jacket is silicone. We have certified DO-160 testing for many years as well. This is Dan from XeVision Edited June 27, 2018 by FastGlasair 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Welcome aboard, Dan! Feel free to put your contact info in the signature line or avatar area... It is great having technical suppliers that share great technical detail. Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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