Conversion to Sloped Windshield?

[prflyer]

I'm curious as to the cost involved in changing a mid 60s Mooney windshield to a sloped windshield. Anyone done one recently who is willing to share the costs involved in this type of modification?

Thanks,

Fernando

 

[carusoam]

F,

See if this works....

There are a few threads.

https://mooneyspace.com/search/?&q=201 windshield install&item=21051

Best regards,

-a-

[TTaylor]

See the Lasar website.  About $2600 plus 50 hours.  If a shop does that about an additional  $4000.

http://www.lasar.com/mod-details.asp?id=3

 

[Yetti]

If you add the speed increases of all the speed mods you can do you should get the plane to go supersonic

[Bob_Belville]

27 minutes ago, Yetti said:

If you add the speed increases of all the speed mods you can do you should get the plane to go supersonic

I once added all the speed increases LASAR puts on the mods my plane has (all added before I bought her) and it was over 20 kts.

Meaning that a stock E must not be much faster than a PA28-140. (Of course I owned a stock E a long time ago and I recall it was 180 mph cruise.)

[1964-M20E]

I had an E model with the 2 piece windshield and now I have an F with the 201 windshield installed by one of the former owners.

I like the look of the windshield and the "added speed"  not sure how much though.  The thing I do not like is the lack of access to the upper rear instrument area that you have with the 2 piece windshield.  You can always go to the single piece windshield which adds some modern look to the plane with much less work and you keep the radio instrument access panels.  My mod has the mini access panels on each side of the windshield.

No you are not opening these panels every week but when you do it is nice.

 

I'm not sure if you are looking for the aesthetics or the economy of speed in the mod?

 

just my $0.02

 

 

[Sabremech]

I like the look of the 201 windshield more than I do any speed gained from it. As an A&P, the panels are not that important to me and I prefer them to be smaller or removed as the chance of water leaking into the cockpit area is greatly reduced or eliminated. 

[Jerry 5TJ]

I've owned 3 different Mooney models.  Compared to Mooneyspace claims each of mine was the slowest example of its kind.  

 

[gsxrpilot]

10 minutes ago, Jerry 5TJ said:

I've owned 3 different Mooney models.  Compared to Mooneyspace claims each of mine was the slowest example of its kind.  

 

Obviously your MooneySpace calibration isn't dialed in. There's a very specific error correction that is applied to all MooneySpace performance data. Think of it as Calibrated MS airspeed. 

[Bob_Belville]

28 minutes ago, Sabremech said:

I like the look of the 201 windshield more than I do any speed gained from it. As an A&P, the panels are not that important to me and I prefer them to be smaller or removed as the chance of water leaking into the cockpit area is greatly reduced or eliminated. 

+1 I've had both and far prefer the water security of the 201 w'shield. I can get to or get out anything in the panel. If making the change, be sure to provide hydraulic reservoir filler/overflow extensions through the firewall.

 

[DXB]

9 hours ago, prflyer said:

I'm curious as to the cost involved in changing a mid 60s Mooney windshield to a sloped windshield. Anyone done one recently who is willing to share the costs involved in this type of modification?

Thanks,

Fernando

 

I did mine last fall with an MSC with tons of experience in the install - total cost was a bit over 7amu.

If there is a speed gain, it is not easily perceptible to me. I  like the better visibility and more open feel.   I do clearly notice a reduction in noise- which I hadn't expected.

It's expensive though, so I give it a "meh" for overall value. Not sure I'd do it again.

[gsxrpilot]

Another example of upgrades that are much cheaper when done by the previous owner.

[Bob_Belville]

Just now, gsxrpilot said:

Another example of upgrades that are much cheaper when done by the previous owner.

My conversion was done 20 years ago by a previous owner. However I replace the "glass" last year. So, in evaluating the cost of conversion you can justify part of the cost as getting fresh glass.  

[prflyer]

Thanks everyone. Looks like somewhere between 7 and 8 AMUs.  Hard to justify, but I sure like the looks of it.

Fernando

[Sabremech]

It was a requirement for me when I was hunting for a Mooney. 

[bonal]

There have been a number of occasions when panel work was needed and having those nice big panels to remove made the job a piece of cake. Of course if you like being upside down in the foot wells I say go for it. Since I'm lucky enough to be in a hangar and don't fly in poor weather I don't worry about water intrusion. This discussion has been gone over but I happen to like the look of the 2 piece shield not to mention if I take a bird strike there is a good chance that center post will add protection. And personally if I was looking to spend several AMU's it would be on an engine monitor or perhaps an IR 

[DXB]

It's claimed that the increased slope of the 201 windshield decreases risk of a bird strike penetrating.  

You do get  extra avionics access space inside the cabin by removing the new longer glareshield after losing the outside access panels.

I do think the hydraulic reservoir is much easier to top off now after the windhield install.  An feature not really worth 7amu though.  

[Alan Fox]

On ‎1‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 9:14 AM, gsxrpilot said:

Obviously your MooneySpace calibration isn't dialed in. There's a very specific error correction that is applied to all MooneySpace performance data. Think of it as Calibrated MS airspeed. 

More like Calibrated BS speed , you also forgot the calibrated BS fuel burn.....I have converted the dual to a single on a short body , but would never even think of installing a speed slope , Its not faster , although it looks faster , any friction loss lost in the angle , is made up in the longer lenghth .....as far as a bird strike , Mooneys use a thin windshield , the only way to reduce the chance of a bird compromising the windshield , is to put in a thicker windshield ...   I have a 1/2 inch thick windshield in my Brand "B" , Must weigh a ton , not a speed slope either.... Although on the brand "B" , because there is no cage , there are no access panels , so the Speedslope on that one gives better maintenance   access.....  The service port for the brakes through the firewall , is pure genius........

[bonal]

Not sure about the bird thing but I wonder does anyone know what the actual rake of the two different windshields are in degrees.  I can remove either left or right front panels without having to remove cowling in just a couple of minutes and can stand up and look down into all the workings of the panel much better than trying to do it from inside the pit. I just can't see this mod as being worth the cost but that's just me.

if I catch a bird in the center of the glass it's not going to hit plastic it's going to hit a metal strut 

Edited January 22, 2017 by bonal

[bonal]

What is calibrated BS does that stand for book speed...kidding!

[Bob_Belville]

Another MS thread is reduced to a familiar country(?) song:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+love+the+one+you're+with&view=detail&mid=19F6A4A99FD2D8FBDA6519F6A4A99FD2D8FBDA65&FORM=VIRE

[MyNameIsNobody]

My bird came with speed slope and retains access.  I am super certain that resale jumps by $15AMU's that are lost by the three blade prop.  Wax on....Wax off.

[Alan Fox]

7 hours ago, MyNameIsNobody said:

My bird came with speed slope and retains access.  I am super certain that resale jumps by $15AMU's that are lost by the three blade prop.  Wax on....Wax off.

Three blade prop is a bonus to anyone that has had both....

[Hank]

7 hours ago, MyNameIsNobody said:

My bird came with speed slope and retains access.  I am super certain that resale jumps by $15AMU's that are lost by the three blade prop.  Wax on....Wax off.

My C has both. She still flies pretty fast . . . .

So the 3-blade prop must not be the rotating speedbrake that people say that it is.  

[flyer7324]

I had the one piece windshield installed complete for 980.00. Very hard to justify the price delta of 6-7 thousand for the 201 windshield. Based on what I've learned over the years the speed gain is barely perceptible.


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