charheep Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Feb issue of Plane and Pilot has a list of great used planes to buy. Mooney 20F Executive was listed. Great advertising and vote of confidence. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964-M20E Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 And an F with manual gear is the best buy of all IMHO Mooney should have never strayed from manual gear again IMHO or at least offered manual as an option. You still can get a car with manual transmission though very rare. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor05121 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Agreed. I think my next plane is a 67 F with manual gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 31 minutes ago, 1964-M20E said: And an F with manual gear is the best buy of all IMHO Mooney should have never strayed from manual gear again IMHO or at least offered manual as an option. You still can get a car with manual transmission though very rare. Those of us with right shoulder issues are glad to have electric gear. Besides, I keep approach plates on the floor below the quadrant, and keep charts, water bottles, etc., on the floor between the seats. Can't do either with manual gear, it's all right where the J-bar goes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor05121 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 That's the only downside with the Johnson bar. Space is at such a premium and the spot between the seats has the ability to hold so much stuff. I could easily put a chart bag, cup holders, pockets, etc all down there. But I'm very forgetful and the J-bar is probably the safest way for me to own a retract 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarmaster Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 With this article coming out, I happen to have a lightly-used "F" for sale. Only $150,000!!Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 With this article coming out, I happen to have a lightly-used "F" for sale. Only $150,000!!Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk Or how about a highly modified F with ALL the bells and whistles for $200,000? Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M20F-1968 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I have a 1968 F, I mean 2014 J, I mean 2014 MSE, professionally appraised for $206,000.00. With this article, how much do you think I can get? John Breda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I have a 1968 F, I mean 2014 J, I mean 2014 MSE, professionally appraised for $206,000.00. With this article, how much do you think I can get? John Breda With this group of Cheap Bast$&ds, you'll need to pay them to take it off of your hands. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M20F-1968 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Increase the value of your a and put a RayJay Turbonormalizer in it. I just know where you can find one. John Breda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M20F-1968 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 That was supposed to say: Increase the value of your F (or even E for that matter) and put a RayJay Turbonormalizer in it. I just know where you can find one. John Breda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charheep Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Yea, I was thinking the same thing. Great news for owners and sellers, bad news for buyers. The secret is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertGary1 Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Knock on wood, in almost 2 decades I"ve never had a problem with my electric gear. I did change the 20:1 for 40:1 gears though so the system is under less stress. I guess I wouldn't mind the manual gear so much as the odd pump system of the flaps that comes with it. Not sure why Mooney made such a complex system for flaps on the manual gear. -Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Knock on wood, in almost 2 decades I"ve never had a problem with my electric gear. I did change the 20:1 for 40:1 gears though so the system is under less stress. I guess I wouldn't mind the manual gear so much as the odd pump system of the flaps that comes with it. Not sure why Mooney made such a complex system for flaps on the manual gear. -Robert Does the 40:1 give you a higher extension speed?Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Marauder said: Does the 40:1 give you a higher extension speed? No, it just doubles the travel time, and also doubles the number of turns for manual extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964-M20E Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 54 minutes ago, RobertGary1 said: Knock on wood, in almost 2 decades I"ve never had a problem with my electric gear. I did change the 20:1 for 40:1 gears though so the system is under less stress. I guess I wouldn't mind the manual gear so much as the odd pump system of the flaps that comes with it. Not sure why Mooney made such a complex system for flaps on the manual gear. -Robert Especially when the A and B models the flaps were purely mechanical with linkages not hydraulics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertGary1 Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 28 minutes ago, Marauder said: Does the 40:1 give you a higher extension speed? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk It reduces the stress on the gears (and the motor presumably) by cutting the speed in 1/2. The Mooney electric gear is already uncommonly quick to come down. Even with 40:1 its several times faster than the Bo gear. With the 40:1 the gears last longer. -Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Robert -- thanks, I understand the benefit of the ratio. Just curious if the 40:1 allows you to extend you gear at a higher airspeed. It was my understanding that the enabling feature that allowed the Js a higher VLo was the higher ratio gear motor. What I am not sure is whether the inner gear doors allowed a higher VLo or they were needed to obtain the higher VLe (if it had any role at all). My question is whether your 104 KIAS limitation has changed to the early J range (something in the 129 KIAS, might be higher)? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertGary1 Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Marauder said: Robert -- thanks, I understand the benefit of the ratio. Just curious if the 40:1 allows you to extend you gear at a higher airspeed. It was my understanding that the enabling feature that allowed the Js a higher VLo was the higher ratio gear motor. What I am not sure is whether the inner gear doors allowed a higher VLo or they were needed to obtain the higher VLe (if it had any role at all). My question is whether your 104 KIAS limitation has changed to the early J range (something in the 129 KIAS, might be higher)? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Practically? I'm not sure. Legally, I don't see anything that alters the gear extension speed based on this conversion. http://www.mooney.com/en/si/M20-112_Rev_A.pdf -Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Practically? I'm not sure. Legally, I don't see anything that alters the gear extension speed based on this conversion.http://www.mooney.com/en/si/M20-112_Rev_A.pdf -Robert Yep, no mention of any changes to gear speed. Hopefully someone will come along and provide what made the change happen from the 104 KIAS VLo/VLe to the higher speeds on the J.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsengle Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 I believe gear doors are the general limiting factor on gear speeds...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Marauder said: Yep, no mention of any changes to gear speed as gsengle states. Hopefully someone will come along and provide what made the change happen from the 104 KIAS VLo/VLe to the higher speeds on the J. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Indeed the gear doors that are the limiting factor as. However, I have it on good authority that they will tolerate speeds much higher without breaking or deforming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsengle Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 The issue is the load placed on the drive by the wind on gear doors in transit. That's why that's the lowest speed.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 6 hours ago, RobertGary1 said: Knock on wood, in almost 2 decades I"ve never had a problem with my electric gear. I did change the 20:1 for 40:1 gears though so the system is under less stress. I guess I wouldn't mind the manual gear so much as the odd pump system of the flaps that comes with it. Not sure why Mooney made such a complex system for flaps on the manual gear. -Robert What on earth is complicated about the Mooney hydraulic flap system? The biggest problem with the hydraulic flap system is that it requires so little maintenance, that few folks have experience servicing them. Mooney specific shops get to service them occasionally. If you've heard they are complicated you've been misinformed. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, gsengle said: The issue is the load placed on the drive by the wind on gear doors in transit. That's why that's the lowest speed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Agreed, but more than one pilot on this board has neglected to lock the gear in the up position and later while in cruise had the gear drop at 150kts. Miraculously, the doors maintain their shape and integrity during such events. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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