NotarPilot Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 I called EAA today to ask what the progress was on adding the Mooney line of aircraft to the STC AML for the Dynon D-10A and D-100A. I was lucky enough to but connected with a guy who's actually on the project. He said they are working on adding the Mooney and Bonanza line of aircraft to the AML and the time frame is about 3 weeks. Therefore, we can expect the D-10A to be available to us in early October. I also asked if the SkyView sytem was in the hopper. He said it is but more in the long term time frame. As he explained to me, the recent FAA policy change was to allow us to replace our attitude indicators with systems like the D-10A, G5, ESI-500, etc. Getting the FAA to buy off on replacing the entire set of primary instruments seems to be more challenging and since you can't install a hefty Dynon SkyView or Garmin G3X Touch without removing most, if not all, primary instruments I get the feeling we won't be seeing approval of such systems for a while. So those of you who are holding out on those big box systems you might be waiting a while. If you're holding out for the D-10A like me, our time is about to arrive. Keep in mind the 3 weeks was an estimate. So don't charge the EAA HQ with pitch forks and torches if you don't hear the announcement by Oct 8th or something. Steve 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Way to go, Steve! It is great when MSers make direct contact with the source of answers. Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotarPilot Posted September 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 4 hours ago, carusoam said: Way to go, Steve! It is great when MSers make direct contact with the source of answers. Best regards, -a- Squeaky wheel gets the grease right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpaul Posted September 16, 2016 Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 5 hours ago, NotarPilot said: Squeaky wheel gets the grease right? Or replaced.... but seriously, thanks for the information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotarPilot Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 One month and still no news on that updated AML. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Time for another phone call, or ready the pitchforks? Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetdriven Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Why bother. The G5 is available now and it's pretty much a better unit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotarPilot Posted October 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 I actually bought the G5 and I'm just waiting for a day in my schedule where I can go install it. My longer term plan is to get a Dynon and place the D10A on the right side for any copilot, instructor, student, etc and also for redundancy and because it gives heading and winds aloft information. For the price, why not? But the G5 looks better and is smaller therefore will fit on the pilot's side while the D10A will not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helitim Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just had a D10A mounted as the replacement for the AI in our club 182. Used the same hole as the old AI and it looks and works great except for the winds aloft. Dynon says they are aware of the problem and working on a fix. Pretty slick unit though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Nice Pirep, Tim. Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helitim Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 The reason we chose the D10A over the G5 is the additional functions of the D10A. We ordered all of the options, remote compass, OAT, AOA and lithium backup battery. You can have a complete power/panel failure and still have a functioning, certified, navigation device. We have a full Garmin GTN 650 w GDL 88 and 330 transponder in this plane and would have preferred to keep the panel all Garmin but the G5 simply does not offer all these options. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotarPilot Posted October 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 On 10/18/2016 at 10:32 PM, helitim said: Just had a D10A mounted as the replacement for the AI in our club 182. Used the same hole as the old AI and it looks and works great except for the winds aloft. Dynon says they are aware of the problem and working on a fix. Pretty slick unit though. Tim, can you expand on the how the winds aloft are not working? Is it the direction? Wind speed? Just curious because I really like the Dynon and would like to install it but only if it'll work as advertised? Do you really think Dynon will be able to fix it soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964-M20E Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 14 hours ago, helitim said: The reason we chose the D10A over the G5 is the additional functions of the D10A. We ordered all of the options, remote compass, OAT, AOA and lithium backup battery. You can have a complete power/panel failure and still have a functioning, certified, navigation device. We have a full Garmin GTN 650 w GDL 88 and 330 transponder in this plane and would have preferred to keep the panel all Garmin but the G5 simply does not offer all these options. What was the total equipment cost and install cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotarPilot Posted October 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 I called the EAA yesterday to ask for an update. I left a message for the gal who's in charge of this and she has yet to return my call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helitim Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 The wind speed aloft is the issue. The wind direction seems to work but the indicated speed was inaccurate. We simply turned that function off for the time being. Every other feature works very well. The total cost with all available options and install was $4526 from Velocity Avionics Avionics in Modesto, Ca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotarPilot Posted October 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 14 hours ago, helitim said: The wind speed aloft is the issue. The wind direction seems to work but the indicated speed was inaccurate. We simply turned that function off for the time being. Every other feature works very well. The total cost with all available options and install was $4526 from Velocity Avionics Avionics in Modesto, Ca. That's a little more than I just expected it to be even with all th accessories. How many hours of labor did it take to install? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helitim Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 It was their first time installing one of these particular units and of course we had all of the options. They had to install a separate pitot tube for the AOA, remote compass, GPS antenna, rework the panel overlay to make it fit nicely and then the normal wiring. The guys told me it took about 16 hours but, they think it could reasonably be done in 12 hours next time. The advantage of this system, in my opinion, is that it is a separate navigation system should you lose ships power. It may be a little bit more money but it does a lot more than the G5. To quote someone else on the forum "that's my $0.02 worth". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helitim Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Panel photo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helitim Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 There is a lot of glare coming thru the windshield. These pictures do not do the panel justice. It looks better in person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 If it is approved then why is the placard necessary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctsurf Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 The placard is about the altimeter, air speed, compass, etc. shown on the Dynon. These are not certified and therefore must be placarded... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesm Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Good job Steve..... You got a lot further with EAA/DYNON STC than I did. I tried to start a petition to have MS people sign up on Dynon's web site but I don't think Dynon did seem too interested at the time. So when Garmin received G5 certification, I decided to go down that route. When I looked at the STC's approved list on Dynon's Web site seems to me it would be a no brianer to go after Mooneys since almost Mooney's are under the same TC (2A3). I guess someone at Dynon or EAA has Tomhawk as a test bed. Doesn't make much sense to me to choose a Tomahawk (the unicorns of the sky) with something like 800 of them flying when compared to a potential of 5000 to 8000 Mooney's or Bonanza's out there. Good figure. Hey Steve ... maybe you could drop a good word for us Mooney owner's at Tru-trak autopilot. I hear they are trying get an STC for Auto Pilot in the C-172. James '67C Edited October 28, 2016 by jamesm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotarPilot Posted October 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 I have an S-etc 30 so I'm probably not your guy to push that through since I don't know much about tru trak APs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesm Posted October 30, 2016 Report Share Posted October 30, 2016 Bummer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaacpr7 Posted February 5, 2017 Report Share Posted February 5, 2017 I don't know if you guys know about the similar Garmin unit but I checked the AML and it pretty much has all models of Mooney. Here's the link: https://www.gulfcoastavionics.com/products/4202-g5-electronic-flight-instrument-for-certified-aircraft.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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