Just watched the movie "Sully"

[1964-M20E]

15 hours ago, flyboy0681 said:

One small correction:

Sean Hannity did blame the incident on Charles Schumer, who in 2004 had something to do with saving Canadian geese from an eradication program in New York City.

I didn't make this up folks.

Regardless of the source of the geese Sully and his crew had nothing to do with them being in their flight path.  Or was the airline in the geese flight path.

 

[flyboy0681]

24 minutes ago, 1964-M20E said:

Regardless of the source of the geese Sully and his crew had nothing to do with them being in their flight path.  Or was the airline in the geese flight path.

 

That's the problem with the Internets, it can't show sarcasm.

[gsengle]

The tone the pacing and everything about the NTSB investigation just seemed silly to me but there is one thing the movie got very right and that is demonstrating just how difficult it is to make decisions and troubleshoot in real time. It succeeded in contrasting Monday morning quarterbacking with being in the pilot seat. By the final time they showed the cockpit crash sequence you really understood how little they knew at that moment and how they had to do what they had to do.

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[ArtVandelay]

15 hours ago, flyboy0681 said: One small correction:

Sean Hannity did blame the incident on Charles Schumer, who in 2004 had something to do with saving Canadian geese from an eradication program in New York City.

I didn't make this up folks.

Regardless of the source of the geese Sully and his crew had nothing to do with them being in their flight path.  Or was the airline in the geese flight path.

 

Did the geese file a flightplan?

[AndyFromCB]

17 hours ago, 1964-M20E said:

Let's see.

 

1. airliner full of passengers ingests birds in each engine = total shutdown both engines soon after takeoff, no fault of the pilot or crew

2. pilot makes decision to land in river (you only have seconds to make this decision and stick with it)

3. other options include rapid disassembly of plane by buildings and or terrain

4. everyone walks away.

5. investigation over

Investigating this much past this point to me is a waste of tax payers dollars.

JMHO

Sully did an excellent job and I'm not going to second guess him as a PP, non pilot or a commercial pilot flying the same type aircraft as he does.

Of course I have mentioned this before the pilot for TACA airlines in the mid 80s put a 737 down along side a levee in New Orleans everyone walked away and they flew the plane out.  Of course I think the final assessment in this case we lac of fuel for the engine out.  I have not heard of another case where a big jet did an emergency off airport landing and they were able to fly it out.

All I know is the baggage didn't make it. Tells me all I need to know about this Sully fellow.

[Ron McBride]

Also, I noticed when the pilots in the simm, they pulled the throttles back after touch down, why??   partial power to aid in the descent?    Also, the NTSB was hiding that it took 17 tries to make the first successful attempt to turn back.

Very good movie, enjoyed it.  Go see it.   

Ron

[kerry]

I enjoyed the movie Hanks starring Sully.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/sully-sullenberger-acts-tom-hanks-movies-article-1.2784786

[Cruiser]

for anyone that really wants to "get into the details" ...... this is an excellent source with many facts and simulations 

http://www.exosphere3d.com/pubwww/pages/project_gallery/cactus_1549_hudson_river.html

 

One thing the analysis did not look deeply into is the possibility of seeing and avoiding such a large flock of geese. They were actually shown as targets on radar.

[gsengle]

"Around the world, the NTSB’s investigations are regarded as setting the gold standard for impartiality, perceptiveness and making recommendations with important safety benefits. The NTSB has saved countless lives."

"It’s not hard to see why this tack appealed to strident libertarian Eastwood. In its populist zeal, the American right wing has been increasingly unwilling to accept the legitimacy of any branch of federal government. Sully meshes perfectly with a worldview where petty and clueless civil servants obstruct real Americans from being great."

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/sep/12/sully-clint-eastwood-hudson-river-plane-crash-ntsb

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[flyboy0681]

4 minutes ago, gsengle said:

It’s not hard to see why this tack appealed to strident libertarian Eastwood

Isn't Eastwood the guy who likes to talk to chairs?

[gsengle]

Yep

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[MyNameIsNobody]

4 minutes ago, flyboy0681 said:

Isn't Eastwood the guy who likes to talk to chairs?

What's your point with that comment?  Was that an attempt at humour?  Just being "that guy"...What?

[flyboy0681]

Just now, MyNameIsNobody said:

What's your point with that comment?  Was that an attempt at humour?  Just being "that guy"...What?

I guess it didn't come across as funny, huh.

 

[MyNameIsNobody]

18 minutes ago, gsengle said:

"Around the world, the NTSB’s investigations are regarded as setting the gold standard for impartiality, perceptiveness and making recommendations with important safety benefits. The NTSB has saved countless lives."

"It’s not hard to see why this tack appealed to strident libertarian Eastwood. In its populist zeal, the American right wing has been increasingly unwilling to accept the legitimacy of any branch of federal government. Sully meshes perfectly with a worldview where petty and clueless civil servants obstruct real Americans from being great."

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/sep/12/sully-clint-eastwood-hudson-river-plane-crash-ntsb

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A little over dramatic don't cha think?

I do.

[gsengle]

I think the article makes a valid point that the movie did a disservice to our NTSB, and could impact aviation safety negatively in the long run.

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[gsengle]

No I thought that this critique of the movie was spot on. (have you seen it?)

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[MyNameIsNobody]

Just now, gsengle said:

I think the article makes a valid point that the movie did a disservice to our NTSB, and could impact aviation safety negatively in the long run.

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About as much as kneeling during the anthem impacts a cause...

[gsengle]

I will agree to disagree with you, I won't argue with you. I've seen enough on other threads.

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[MyNameIsNobody]

"Our NTSB"....Funny.  Might be "Yours", but it's not mine.

Maybe it's "Theirs"?

[gsengle]

Ours. Unless you aren't the patriotic American you seem to want to be.

Oops, feeding the trolls again.

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[MyNameIsNobody]

Just now, gsengle said:

Ours. Unless you aren't the patriotic American you seem to want to be.

Oops, feeding the trolls again.

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Yes you are.  Naw, not worth the effort.  C Ya Wouln't want to be ya.

[flyboy0681]

Hope this isn't a start to another round of Little Timmy's America.

I learned my lesson the first time around and will not allow myself to get dragged in. As a famous American once said, "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, you can't get fooled again."

[Robert C.]

Haven't watched the movie, but heard an interview yesterday with an NTSB staffer who was on the team. He was quite offended and said many of the same things that Sully apparently wrote in his book about the event.

whatever the Guardian's slant may have been on Eastwood's motivations, it does seem the movie did a disservice to a group of hardworking professionals who adhere to the highest standards.

[Cruiser]

45 minutes ago, gsengle said:

I think the article makes a valid point that the movie did a disservice to our NTSB, and could impact aviation safety negatively in the long run.

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IF it does then OUR NTSB is not as professional as it claims. The comments I saw all came from "past" or "retired" NTSB employee. Of course in today's age he could be willing surrogate for sending a message the NTSB wants made public. 

In the long run, this will not change a thing.

[gsengle]

Did you see the movie? It made them look like head hunting bafoons.

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