Egyptair 804

[flyboy0681]

Just now, Hyett6420 said:

And even better the batteries don't catch fire. . 

When was the last time you heard of batteries catching fire? 

Those of us who are old enough can remember when the dispatch reliability of the 747 was poor due to overheating of the JT9D's. As a matter of fact, Pan Am's inaugural flight from JFK to Heathrow was delayed six hours due to this and a second 747 had to be brought in. 

Chalk it up to teething pains.

[fantom]

While some may know the truth about the crash eventually, don't hold your breath or expect to be included.

The Egyptians have to protect their carrier, the French need to protect their manufacturing business, and the USA has the DOJ to 'alter' anything that isn't in the best interest of the administration. Money, politics, and self interests. A wonderful trifecta....

 

CAIRO, June 19 (Reuters) - Investigators have begun analyzing the two severely damaged black boxes from EgyptAir flight MS804 as they seek to explain why the plane plunged into the sea, killing all 66 people on board.

It would require "lots of time and effort" to fix the two badly damaged black box recorders, sources on Egypt's Aircraft Accident Investigation Committee told Reuters on Sunday.

The committee said it started the analysis of the devices, with representatives from France and the United States, which are crucial to explaining why the Airbus A320 crashed on May 19 en route from Paris to Cairo.

The memory units from both the Cockpit Voice Recorder and the Flight Data Recorder were extracted from the devices and dried in a military facility for eight hours, the committee said in a statement.

Investigators are now conducting electrical tests on the memory units, the final step before trying to extract data.

If intact, the cockpit recorder should reveal pilot conversations and any cockpit alarms, as well as other clues such as engine noise. But crash experts say it may provide only limited insight into the reason for the crash.

With the data recorder, investigators have a greater chance of discovering the cause, provided its chip is still intact.

Investigators need to further analyze the memory units before deciding if they can be fixed locally or if they need to be sent abroad for repairs.

Search teams retrieved the Cockpit Voice Recorder on Thursday which they said was damaged but had the memory unit intact. They found the Flight Data Recorder on Friday.

[flyboy0681]

Just now, fantom said:

While some may know the truth about the crash eventually, don't hold your breath or expect to be included.

The Egyptians have to protect their carrier, the French need to protect their manufacturing business, and the USA has the DOJ to 'alter' anything that isn't in the best interest of the administration. Money, politics, and self interests. A wonderful trifecta....

 

I don't agree. The Egyptair 767 that went down off the coast of New England about 15 years ago was similar in certain ways. The Egyptians headed the investigation aided by Boeing and the NTSB. While Egypt denied what the NTSB and Boeing determined as the cause, suicide by pilot, all parties agreed with the cause of the crash, which was elevator failure due to opposing forces, pilot pulling back while FO pushing forward, preceded by a commanded full nose down dive.

In this case it would have been in Boeing's best interest to cover-up failure of the elevator, but it was their conclusion of what happened in the final moments.

[flyboy0681]

18 minutes ago, fantom said:

While some may know the truth about the crash eventually, don't hold your breath or expect to be included.

The Egyptians have to protect their carrier, the French need to protect their manufacturing business, and the USA has the DOJ to 'alter' anything that isn't in the best interest of the administration. Money, politics, and self interests. A wonderful trifecta....

 

I forgot to add something...

If what you are saying is true, that all interested parties will cover up the causes, won't that set aviation safety back 100 years? Each crash that is investigated relies on the accuracy of what is found to be the cause so that it doesn't happen again. If the aviation industry can't rely on a truthful  investigation, then Kapton would still be used in wires, wind-shear detectors would not have found their way into cockpits, parts of the 737 rudders would not have been redesigned and passenger windows would be square, to name but a few of hundred design changes that occurred as a result of accurate crash investigations.

I guess you could argue that investigations which were found to be inconclusive were the results of cover-ups when the causes were well known to the parties involved.

 

[fantom]

This particular accident is a confluence other divergent vested interests at a different time. It's not nearly as absolute as you suggest.

[Hank]

5 hours ago, flyboy0681 said:

When was the last time you heard of batteries catching fire? 

Those of us who are old enough can remember when the dispatch reliability of the 747 was poor due to overheating of the JT9D's. As a matter of fact, Pan Am's inaugural flight from JFK to Heathrow was delayed six hours due to this and a second 747 had to be brought in. 

Chalk it up to teething pains.

Hmmm . . . The Dreamliner was a lot more recent than that . . . Seems several of them had battery fires, a couple in flight.

[flyboy0681]

Latest on the subject, the word "fire" was heard on the CVR, but still no details as to the source of the fire. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/word-fire-heard-voice-recorder-doomed-egyptair-171927889.html?ref=gs