Anyone got an overhaul Quote lately A36BD?

[zerotact]

I have been collecting quotes, and it suprising how much they vary.  Who has gotten quotes lately?

[MooneyBob]

How much are they and from where?

Thanks. 

[Hank]

Be sure to find out what is included. This can account for much variation in price.

• How does your engine get to the shop?
• what parts are replaced?
• which replacement parts are included?
• do they do anything to the accessories? If so, which ones?
• how is the engine test run before returning it to you?
• is return shipping included?
• how long are they quoting? (It will be longer)
• what warranty is offered? Labor only, parts too, must return there for work, fix anywhere, etc. check both calendar time and hours, it can make a difference.

Just my musings from what I've heard and read. Hope it's a long while before I have personal experience.

Good luck with yours,mans be sure to follow the breakin procedure they give you.

[zerotact]

I am getting them in the $20-22k range for overhaul.  

[1524J]

I paid $23,000 two and a half years ago. That included sending off all appliances, all new hoses, spark plug wires, etc. Two year/450 hour warranty. Don't forget the Prop. That'll be another $2500 to $3000. 

[Guest]

Here is bare minimum parts replacement for "overhaul" according to Lycoming 

http://www.lycoming.com/Portals/0/techpublications/servicebulletins/SB%20240W%20(02-23-2012)/Mandatory%20Parts%20Replacement%20at%20Overhaul%20and%20During%20Repair%20or%20Maintenance.pdf

Clarence

[carusoam]

The date codes in that document are going to come up on Y2K issues...  Written in year 58. Updated in year 13...  It will probably still be in effect in 2058.

Best regards,

-a-

[DAVIDWH]

Western Skyways overhauled my IO-550-G for $28,500. 03/06/14

Gold seal quote was $30,276

Add $2000 for new ECI Titan.

Add $4500 to above cost for factory new TCM cylinders.

Engine complete with plugs, ignition harness and complete test cell run, includes freight.

Rebuild of prop and exhaust system as well as dismount and remount of engine, add another __________________?

Got to go, wife just entered office.

[zerotact]

Hi,

      I figured I would give an update, I enlisted Jewell Aviation in Kennet, MO to do my overhaul as I had read a favorable review on here.   So far I have been pleased,  With Cost being an issue I have had to take it in little bites...  But the engine is back and hung on the firewall.   I still have a list of parts to order but the project has  kept going.

[carusoam]

ZT,

Can you shows photo or two?

You might be able to help somebody in your situation...

Best regards,

-a-

[zerotact]

Ill work on pics,

   But even though the cost is piling up, its looking quite nice.  Obviously a fresh engine,  Gami Injectors, Plane power Alternator, SkyTek starter, new hoses, fresh ignition, etc.. Doing it right as far as I can make it, new, or overhauled firewall foreward.  And I chose some new upgrades instead of overhaul.  

The airframe got all four new seat rails, new front door hinge. New control cables, I hope to restore my Hoskins fuel computer into operation, and I have an M3 gps that might work.

I am on the fence about  props...   I would pay a little bit more for a top prop and selling my prop. Vs, overhauling my prop.

 

Perhaps I should start a whole project thread.  I could call it  " the deep hole from my first annual "

 

[aaronk25]

Jewell is around $17k.


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[INA201]

Seems like jewel is low to me. What's the catch?

[jetdriven]

Parts installed make a huge difference. A reground cam and lifters along with unknown hours on rebuilt cylinders you can almost bet it won't make 2000 hours. Ours made 1200. 

The guy across the street, with a piper arrow, used rebuilt cylinders and overhauled the rest in his hangar with the local mechanic. After it was overhauled,  along the way it dropped two Exhaust valves, one of which caused an off field landing.  And a whole top.  It also used so much oil the logbook had a note to top to 8 quarts and don't fly more than 2 hours. When the engine started making metal the cam and lifters were shot. It went 450 hours. 

Edited November 30, 2016 by jetdriven

[aviatoreb]

On 2/26/2016 at 3:14 PM, DAVIDWH said:

Western Skyways overhauled my IO-550-G for $28,500. 03/06/14

Gold seal quote was $30,276

Add $2000 for new ECI Titan.

Add $4500 to above cost for factory new TCM cylinders.

Engine complete with plugs, ignition harness and complete test cell run, includes freight.

Rebuild of prop and exhaust system as well as dismount and remount of engine, add another __________________?

Got to go, wife just entered office.

better put that porn site screen saver back up!  quick!

[aaronk25]

Parts installed make a huge difference. A reground cam and lifters along with unknown hours on rebuilt cylinders you can almost bet it won't make 2000 hours. Ours made 1200. 
The guy across the street, with a piper arrow, used rebuilt cylinders and overhauled the rest in his hangar with the local mechanic. After it was overhauled,  along the way it dropped two Exhaust valves, one of which caused an off field landing.  And a whole top.  It also used so much oil the logbook had a note to top to 8 quarts and don't fly more than 2 hours. When the engine started making metal the cam and lifters were shot. It went 450 hours. 

Jewell rocks! I got referred to them by a 337 turbo Cessna owner who has had 2 rounds of engines overhauled and Neil also has used them.

The two people there is Sam and David Jewell. Sams is Davids dad and mid 60's he's been doing engines all his life and it's almost all he does.

They are straight shooters and one due to lower overhead and one of the lowest cost places to conduct business in the US, they offer some pretty good rates.

Here are a couple items the attest to the quality and honesty at Jewell:

1. Told David I wanted a new cam and lifters and he asked my how my last new lycoming cam worked out. He knew it came apart after 400 hours in 2 years, bad metal. I asked him what he suggested. He said reground cam and lifters as he has had bad luck with new lycoming parts, like I did. He said that if the reground made it for a full overhaul it would make it another as the only ones that are used don't exceed 3,000 of a inch of wear. And lycoming stiffed me on warranty for my cam. 2 months past the 2 year warranty.

2. Told him I wanted new cylinders and he said "I'll sell you whatever you want but your existing cylinders barrels still meet new specs, not service limits but new!" He thought it made sense to replace the exhaust valve, reuse the intake and do new valve guides. Told him I kept temps under 380cht and he said operated like that the cylinder heads should have a lot of life left. Thermal cycles.

There was numerous times where he could have sold me what I asked for in the first place, but he offered advice that made the most sense given the age and ROI of the engine.

Sam said his engines make TBO, unless they sit neglected. So far my J is fast 166kts and oil burn is 1qt in 15-25hours. Great people. Jewell's customer are loyal as the come. It will be said when Sam retires eventually.

Even the paint job is great.




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[jetdriven]

Excellent pirep.  It certtinly seems like Jewell ha th secret sauce, unfortunately a rarity among engine shops.  

[gsengle]

I've use Penn Yan for Lycoming, was very happy.


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[zerotact]

I will also Add that Sam and Dave always took my calls and talked me through the descisions to be made. I felt very comfortable...

Edited December 1, 2016 by zerotact

[jwilcoxon78]

Sadly, I've just received one from Gann Aviation for $22,500.  Not that I'm sad about the price or with Gann, just wasn't really ready to be at this stage of ownership. 

 

[AndyFromCB]

23 hours ago, jetdriven said:

Parts installed make a huge difference. A reground cam and lifters along with unknown hours on rebuilt cylinders you can almost bet it won't make 2000 hours. Ours made 1200. 

The guy across the street, with a piper arrow, used rebuilt cylinders and overhauled the rest in his hangar with the local mechanic. After it was overhauled,  along the way it dropped two Exhaust valves, one of which caused an off field landing.  And a whole top.  It also used so much oil the logbook had a note to top to 8 quarts and don't fly more than 2 hours. When the engine started making metal the cam and lifters were shot. It went 450 hours. 

I disagree with you on cylinders. Depends who does the cylinders and how they have been in service. If it's first run cylinders, you might actually get much better units from a custom shop than what you will get from Lycoming. I said you might. Now with Continental, it's 100% guaranteed you will get better cylinders from a good overhaul shop. 

As long as the cylinder is overhauled with all new valves, springs, and guides, pistons and rings, etc, you can save quite a bit of money (especially on the Bravo or angled engines) and end up with a better product with considerably better seat between valves and guides and that's what matters. On a Bravo, that's a difference of $1500 per cylinder. On my Bravo the barrels looked new at 1,600 hours and met new specs, no reason to throw them away.

As to cams, you probably won't make it to 2000 with a Lycoming cam either unless you fly 150 hours a year or more. It will rust/pit. 

Edited December 1, 2016 by AndyFromCB

[jetdriven]

 I agree with you about first run cylinders, I think they're better or equal to anything that comes out of Williamsport .  

Far too often are these Gibson 900$ overhauled cylinders that come with the wrong size valves in them, that have no choke, that are out of round, the valves aren't lapped, the exhaust valves aren't new, that have studs halfway stripped out, or have the base flange face is completely painted over. I wouldn't put them on anything that I fly in.  Those are the ones that blow heads off of the barrels,  because they have 6000 hours or more , and use oil and scuff pistons and are generally nothing but trouble.

 

Edited December 2, 2016 by jetdriven

[zerotact]

Jewell does thier own cylinders in house...  Sam does that work himself.

[AndyFromCB]

6 hours ago, jetdriven said:

 I agree with you about first run cylinders, I think they're better or equal to anything that comes out of Williamsport .  

Far too often are these Gibson 900$ overhauled cylinders that come with the wrong size valves in them, that have no choke, that are out of round, the valves aren't lapped, the exhaust valves aren't new, that have studs halfway stripped out, or have the base flange face is completely painted over. I wouldn't put them on anything that I fly in.  Those are the ones that blow heads off of the barrels,  because they have 6000 hours or more , and use oil and scuff pistons and are generally nothing but trouble.

 

I agree, I'm talking about overhauling your own at a shop like central cylinder or many other reputable shops around. That's another reason why I hate factory overhauled or rebuilt engines, especially if yours makes TBO or beyond. You're not getting back the engine you know and trust, you're getting back a parts bin.

Now, slowly but surly it all will not matter as both Textron and Continental are doing their best to price out small shops with ridiculous parts pricing on engine parts. Granted, nowhere near as bad as what they are doing with airframe parts with 5x to 10x inflation during the last 5 years, but steep increases non the less.

General aviation is screwed.

[MyNameIsNobody]

On 11/30/2016 at 6:52 PM, aaronk25 said:

 

 

Jewell rocks! I got referred to them by a 337 turbo Cessna owner who has had 2 rounds of engines overhauled and Neil also has used them.

The two people there is Sam and David Jewell. Sams is Davids dad and mid 60's he's been doing engines all his life and it's almost all he does.

They are straight shooters and one due to lower overhead and one of the lowest cost places to conduct business in the US, they offer some pretty good rates.

Here are a couple items the attest to the quality and honesty at Jewell:

1. Told David I wanted a new cam and lifters and he asked my how my last new lycoming cam worked out. He knew it came apart after 400 hours in 2 years, bad metal. I asked him what he suggested. He said reground cam and lifters as he has had bad luck with new lycoming parts, like I did. He said that if the reground made it for a full overhaul it would make it another as the only ones that are used don't exceed 3,000 of a inch of wear. And lycoming stiffed me on warranty for my cam. 2 months past the 2 year warranty.

2. Told him I wanted new cylinders and he said "I'll sell you whatever you want but your existing cylinders barrels still meet new specs, not service limits but new!" He thought it made sense to replace the exhaust valve, reuse the intake and do new valve guides. Told him I kept temps under 380cht and he said operated like that the cylinder heads should have a lot of life left. Thermal cycles.

There was numerous times where he could have sold me what I asked for in the first place, but he offered advice that made the most sense given the age and ROI of the engine.

Sam said his engines make TBO, unless they sit neglected. So far my J is fast 166kts and oil burn is 1qt in 15-25hours. Great people. Jewell's customer are loyal as the come. It will be said when Sam retires eventually.

Even the paint job is great.




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Love the second photo with the feet only sticking out from below that beautiful power plant.  I had the photo top hiding the chain and attach so I did a double take.

Glad the engine is running well.  You deserve it after the first "go-around".