Seth Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 17 hours ago, aviatoreb said: If I were filthy rich (I shoulda played the powerball), then I wouldn't blink to buy the M20TP over the M20TN for reliability reasons alone. Aren't turbo props something 100 times less likely to go belly up for cratering a hole than a piston? (but just as likely to stop for fuel starvation whether that be pilot error or fuel pump issues). I thought it was 1000 times more reliable. -Seth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsengle Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Ha, I called it! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonal Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I was waiting to win the lottery for this upgrade now I need to get the winning numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I'm jealous, I didn't get that email! Second door, composite materials in a larger way. Best regard, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsengle Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Almost seems like a premature leak Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Almost looks like a hoax ad. But I bet its real. Oooh smooth carbon. Are the wings covered in carbon too? If so I bet its going to be 250TAS now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takair Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 If real, that is so cool. It's quite an underwhelming way to announce such a huge change. No mention on Mooney website or even Delta Aviation web site. Wonder if that post will mysteriously disappear.... This was an Oshkosh worthy announcement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcstealth Posted February 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 19 minutes ago, gsengle said: Almost seems like a premature leak Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I agree. This seems curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcstealth Posted February 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 What is FMS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rwsavory Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Flight Management System. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flight2000 Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Just now, Mcstealth said: What is FMS? FMS = Flight Management System. Mooney went all Cirrus on us. They've had the FMS system for a few years now and both doors since inception... Cheers, Brian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSMooniac Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I believe this was supposed to be announced at OSH last year, but of course it is hard to get things thru the FAA in a timely fashion these days. I'm also puzzled at the way it has been announced. Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcstealth Posted February 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I hope there is a gross weight increase hidden in the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 So now that the forward fuselage is carbon, how hard to make it a pressure vessel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcstealth Posted February 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Just now, Shadrach said: So now that the forward fuselage is carbon, how hard to make it a pressure vessel? Can not be done. The M20 frame is not conducive for such an endeavor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 11 minutes ago, Mcstealth said: Can not be done. The M20 frame is not conducive for such an endeavor. What does that mean? If the new cabin is now made entirely of carbon, what do any of us know about what is possible with the new M20 Frame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 18 minutes ago, Mcstealth said: I hope there is a gross weight increase hidden in the details. Won't the carbon fiber weigh less than the aluminum-covered aluminum structures it replaces? So Useful Load can increase while Gross stays the same. Unless the door and interior added weight. How much weight would a second door add? Gotta be some, unless the carbon fuse doesn't have the famous, safe steel roll cage inside it . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyDave Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I think is was KSMooniac that said "holes aren't free" or something to that effect. I'll bet the weight savings of the carbon fuselage was offset by the added door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooneygirl Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 The spec sheet on the Ultra is on http://www.Mooney.com just look for the press release. The press release does say to hold until tomorrow, so for whatever that is worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 TSIO-550-G with 280hp and 2200 hrs TBO. Question: why Not TSIO-550-N updated cylinders compared to the G, with 310hp? Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyDave Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 26 minutes ago, carusoam said: TSIO-550-G with 280hp and 2200 hrs TBO. Question: why Not TSIO-550-N updated cylinders compared to the G, with 310hp? Best regards, -a- Lower power, higher TBO. But how are they claiming the same speed? Composites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takair Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I really like it, but would need a lottery winning to afford it. They mention that the doors are widened 4", but I think they mean they were elongated vs. a wider fuselage? Perhaps for better rear seat entry? In the in flight photos, the top of the doors don't seem flush. Is that just the photo or intentional? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 The doors look wider when they are open. Has nothing to do with fuselage width, its c a C wider opening to get in and out through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsengle Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Oh well a couple of inches cabin width was my biggest wish Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 9 hours ago, FlyDave said: I think is was KSMooniac that said "holes aren't free" or something to that effect. I'll bet the weight savings of the carbon fuselage was offset by the added door. "Holes are heavy". But given the huge change in build material to a one piece carbon structure, I don't think one can say for sure that there will be weight gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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