JaredDavis Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 Interesting article - hope it is true. http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AEA-Google-to-the-Rescue-on-ADS-B-223824-1.html Quote
MyNameIsNobody Posted April 12, 2015 Report Posted April 12, 2015 Did anyone else get survey on ADSB? It asked what was an acceptable price point with installation for ADSB-Out? Went from about $7k down to $1-2k. I checked lowest option. Holding pattern. Hoping for a portable ADSB-Out compliance/certified option for under $2k NOT holding my breath. Quote
ryoder Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 It's like asking a motorist how,much they should pay to be tracked while driving to work. This isn't OnStar. Maybe it should be. Quote
Guitarmaster Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I just got something from Appero showing a ads-b out 1090 es transponder paired with the status 2 hardwired for $3495. Price is getting better! $1-2k would be awesome! Quote
HRM Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I just got something from Appero showing a ads-b out 1090 es transponder paired with the status 2 hardwired for $3495. Price is getting better! $1-2k would be awesome! Don't forget, with the ESG you are getting a new mode S transponder, which is vastly superior to mode C since you don't need to ever enter a squawk code. Mode S's run about $2K. So, $3495-$2K = $1495 for ADS-B Out!!! With GPS antenna no less. Also, gives you a WAAS GPS source in the panel. I may be missing something, but this is pretty much a great leap forward for the members of the Cheap Bastards Society. Also great for the holdouts (like me) with an aging, non-repairable Mode C in the panel 1 Quote
Guitarmaster Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 I was pretty excited to get that in the mail. I have a KT-76, so this would be perfect since I already have the Status 2. Quote
Hank Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 How about an inexpensive path for those of us with serviceable Mode C and approach-certified WAAS GPS already? I just need the ADS-B part, not an all-in-one wonder, and can't ditch the transponder, ADS-B is in addition to what is already required, not instead of anything. Quote
HRM Posted April 13, 2015 Report Posted April 13, 2015 How about an inexpensive path for those of us with serviceable Mode C and approach-certified WAAS GPS already? I just need the ADS-B part, not an all-in-one wonder, and can't ditch the transponder, ADS-B is in addition to what is already required, not instead of anything. Your solution is a behind/under the panel box. Good luck, it's all about volume. Quote
ryoder Posted April 16, 2015 Report Posted April 16, 2015 Don't forget, with the ESG you are getting a new mode S transponder, which is vastly superior to mode C since you don't need to ever enter a squawk code. Mode S's run about $2K. So, $3495-$2K = $1495 for ADS-B Out!!! With GPS antenna no less. Also, gives you a WAAS GPS source in the panel. I may be missing something, but this is pretty much a great leap forward for the members of the Cheap Bastards Society. Also great for the holdouts (like me) with an aging, non-repairable Mode C in the panel I don't get it. Why don't you need to enter a squawk code? How do I get a transponder gps and adsb out for 1500? Quote
Bob - S50 Posted April 16, 2015 Report Posted April 16, 2015 How about an inexpensive path for those of us with serviceable Mode C and approach-certified WAAS GPS already? I just need the ADS-B part, not an all-in-one wonder, and can't ditch the transponder, ADS-B is in addition to what is already required, not instead of anything. If you have a KT-76 I'm thinking the cheapest way is a TT31 from Trig. Slide out the KT76, slide in the TT31 (same tray), run one or two wires from the GPS to the Trig and you are done. The TT31 goes for $2395. Don't know what they would charge to add the wires between the GPS and the Trig. Bob Quote
Guitarmaster Posted April 17, 2015 Report Posted April 17, 2015 If you have a KT-76 I'm thinking the cheapest way is a TT31 from Trig. Slide out the KT76, slide in the TT31 (same tray), run one or two wires from the GPS to the Trig and you are done. The TT31 goes for $2395. Don't know what they would charge to add the wires between the GPS and the Trig. Bob The Trig won't work for a KT76 as a slide in replacement, just the 76A. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote
Bob - S50 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 The Trig won't work for a KT76 as a slide in replacement, just the 76A. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Ooops. Sorry. Bob Quote
GeorgePerry Posted April 18, 2015 Report Posted April 18, 2015 Did anyone else get survey on ADSB? It asked what was an acceptable price point with installation for ADSB-Out? Went from about $7k down to $1-2k. I checked lowest option. Holding pattern. Hoping for a portable ADSB-Out compliance/certified option for under $2k NOT holding my breath. I wouldn't hold out for portable. Cost are low enough now that most consider the cost to equip reasonable. FAA is not going to approve a portable solution for Part 23 certified aircraft. The only aircraft that the FAA might consider portable solution are gliders and ultralights. Quote
ryoder Posted April 19, 2015 Report Posted April 19, 2015 i also answered the survey with the lowest cost. There are open source adsb out solutions out there already. If a quad copter has a sixty dollar device doing adsb out and that is good enough for the faa then that is good enough for me. Somebody needs to take on the FAA and insist that consumer grade harwdware be allowed as long as it meets the performance requirements. Forget about the part 23 rewrite if that can't happen by 2020 just make a carve out for the transponders. It's not just gliders its homebuilts, trikes, gyrocopters, and all manner of flying beasts. I'll wait till the bitter end before I pay for an adsb solution that doesn't increase my utility but just allows me to comply. 2 Quote
JaredDavis Posted April 19, 2015 Author Report Posted April 19, 2015 Thread drift: Performance Requirements, general WAG on gps position accuracy implications. Anyone know why the FAA does not add more ground stations to ensure you have a multilateration derived position to validate the supplied GPS position? Seems like that is going to be required to identify "bad" actors anyway. Seems a shame to make a $5.00 gps receiver cost 1200.00 when it is not the sole source of position in the system. Anyone know if any system is setup to use the GPS position as given w/o validation? I think It would be a bad assumption to assume 100% of all self validated GPS position reports are accurate. What happens on foreflight et al when: on plane adsb-in receives gps position from plane X. plane X data is removed by ground stations due to position validation (radar, mlat.., ...) ground station re-broadcast does not include plane X. Anyone know the position resolution for mlat? Quote
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