mulro767 Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Very impressive and a cool video. I can't even takeoff with 4 people and 1/2 full fuel tanks! http://generalaviationnews.com/2014/08/12/video-pipistrel-takes-panthera-for-a-spin/ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danb Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Impressive!, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakeup Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Wow!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnicolette Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 That is an impressive looking aircraft. Appears it has a chute also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takair Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Wow. Don't try this at home. Notice the vapor off the tips in the view from the tail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffy Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 After a conversation with Bill Wheat he commented that after 3 turns a Mooney gets REAL tight and FAST in a spin. He didn't like it after 3 turns. I'll take his word for it and not test the edge there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakeup Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Anyone know the price on the Panthera? Does anyone practice spins in their Mooney? Thanks Troy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Troy--No, and Hell No!! Mooneys are not approved for spins. My Owners Manual says a 1-turn spin and recovery may require more than 1000', and a fully developed spin may not be recoverable. What does yours say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisk Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Anyone know the price on the Panthera? Does anyone practice spins in their Mooney? Thanks Troy I asked not that long ago. As I recall, it was over $500k. I'll get the details when I get to a real computer PANTHERA 390 (with Lycoming I0-390) EXPERIMENTAL with factory build assist € 385,000 2x Skyview SV1000 (dual ADAHRS, Synthetic Vision, EMS, ARINC module) Dynon 2-axis GPS-slaved digital autopilot Garmin GTN 750 Com/Nav/IFR GPS, integrated Audio Panel, 3D intercom, Integrated S-mode transponder, touch screen Garmin GTN 635 Second COM/IFR GPS, touch screen Backup Airspeed, Backup Altimeter, Backup Artificial Horizon (Mid-Continent Instruments SAM) PANTHERA 390 (with Lycoming I0-390) EXPERIMENTAL with factory build assist € 405,000 2x Garmin 10-inch display (dual ADAHRS, Synthetic Vision, EMS, ARINC module) Garmin2-axis GPS-slaved digital autopilot Garmin GTN 750 Com/Nav/IFR GPS, integrated Audio Panel, 3D intercom, Integrated S-mode transponder, touch screen Garmin GTN 635 Second COM/IFR GPS, touch screen Backup Airspeed, Backup Altimeter, Backup Artificial Horizon (Mid-Continent Instruments SAM) PANTHERA 540 (with Lycoming I0-540V) EXPERIMENTAL with factory build assist € 425,000 2x Garmin 10-inch display (dual ADAHRS, Synthetic Vision, EMS, ARINC module) Garmin2-axis GPS-slaved digital autopilot Garmin GTN 750 Com/Nav/IFR GPS, integrated Audio Panel, 3D intercom, Integrated S-mode transponder, touch screen Garmin GTN 635 Second COM/IFR GPS, touch screen Backup Airspeed, Backup Altimeter, Backup Artificial Horizon (Mid-Continent Instruments SAM) PANTHERA 540 IFR-Certified PART 23 UTILITY CATEGORY € 465,000 PANTHERA HYBRID EXPERIMENTAL with factory build assist - ADITIONAL PRICE € 60,000 PANTHERA ELECTRO EXPERIMENTAL with factory build assist ADITIONAL PRICE € 90,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I asked not that long ago. As I recall, it was over $500k. I'll get the details when I get to a real computer PANTHERA 390 (with Lycoming I0-390) EXPERIMENTAL with factory build assist € 385,000 2x Skyview SV1000 (dual ADAHRS, Synthetic Vision, EMS, ARINC module) Dynon 2-axis GPS-slaved digital autopilot Garmin GTN 750 Com/Nav/IFR GPS, integrated Audio Panel, 3D intercom, Integrated S-mode transponder, touch screen Garmin GTN 635 Second COM/IFR GPS, touch screen Backup Airspeed, Backup Altimeter, Backup Artificial Horizon (Mid-Continent Instruments SAM) PANTHERA 390 (with Lycoming I0-390) EXPERIMENTAL with factory build assist € 405,000 2x Garmin 10-inch display (dual ADAHRS, Synthetic Vision, EMS, ARINC module) Garmin2-axis GPS-slaved digital autopilot Garmin GTN 750 Com/Nav/IFR GPS, integrated Audio Panel, 3D intercom, Integrated S-mode transponder, touch screen Garmin GTN 635 Second COM/IFR GPS, touch screen Backup Airspeed, Backup Altimeter, Backup Artificial Horizon (Mid-Continent Instruments SAM) PANTHERA 540 (with Lycoming I0-540V) EXPERIMENTAL with factory build assist € 425,000 2x Garmin 10-inch display (dual ADAHRS, Synthetic Vision, EMS, ARINC module) Garmin2-axis GPS-slaved digital autopilot Garmin GTN 750 Com/Nav/IFR GPS, integrated Audio Panel, 3D intercom, Integrated S-mode transponder, touch screen Garmin GTN 635 Second COM/IFR GPS, touch screen Backup Airspeed, Backup Altimeter, Backup Artificial Horizon (Mid-Continent Instruments SAM) PANTHERA 540 IFR-Certified PART 23 UTILITY CATEGORY € 465,000 PANTHERA HYBRID EXPERIMENTAL with factory build assist - ADITIONAL PRICE € 60,000 PANTHERA ELECTRO EXPERIMENTAL with factory build assist ADITIONAL PRICE € 90,000 I think they switched to the IO540 and with that it is a true 200kts airplane at relatively low power settings. It is a very attractive airplane at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantom Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I think they switched to the IO540 and with that it is a true 200kts airplane at relatively low power settings. It is a very attractive airplane at that. ....and all in, it's about the same price as a loaded new Acclaim, IF it goes into mass production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 ....and all in, it's about the same price as a loaded new Acclaim, IF it goes into mass production. Most likely. That is quite impressive if you consider that this is a clean sheet new certified airplane whereas the basic M20 cert was legacy since eons ago so part of that is already amortized. I bet these Panthers are quicker to build with fewer steps. However, I would sooner buy the Texas built airplane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisk Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I know when I went to look for my plane that many (50%, maybe more) had previously had a gear up. I'm very curious how expensive a gear up would be in a composite plane. I other words, would a gear up in a Panthera scrap a new plane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I would expect some ugly but repairable rub strakes. Somewhat like sled runners... Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964-M20E Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Almost looked like he was forcing the plane to keep spinning. Oh one more thing they need to install retractable steps get a few more knots out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Not sure why anyone would demonstrate this on purpose with a fully loaded airplane? Clarence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaV8or Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Not sure why anyone would demonstrate this on purpose with a fully loaded airplane? Clarence To sell airplanes. I don't think any of Pantera's competitors would do this demonstration. Obviously a calculated risk, but I really think it's going to pay them back handsomely when it comes time to actually sell production planes. Of course that's because it all turned out really well and not in four deaths and a smoking hole. Now with a bigger engine, this plane now has it all. Mooney's in trouble. Better get started on the next gen Mooney, or figure out how to cut about $200,000 off the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviatoreb Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Is that even allowed in the US? To do that kind of maneuver is considered aerobatics and then the pilots would be required to wear parachutes. I was just reading about the Pipestrel in my aviation consumer last night. The test flight with the aviation consumer writer on board and with the IO540 was showing 174kts and the factory pilot was still confident with further clean up, optimized prop and so forth to come up to come it would hit 200. That sounds like a lot of improvement to hope for and that is what the aviation consumer writer said. I bet they will make 190kts maybe a bit more. Looks like a fabulous plane but I won't be selling my Mooney to buy one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulro767 Posted August 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Some utility category aircraft in the US are approved for spins and not considered aerobatics. I don't know of any with four passengers onboard. The 172 can but only with two and under a certain weight. Key words though, "utility category aircraft". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerobat95 Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Very impressive.....Mooney needs to look out....this is a very sleek and a modern looking airframe plus it has the wow factor. If I had the $$$ I would get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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