Alan Fox Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 65 E , 3800 TT , 90 SMOH , 130 SPOH , NDH , has SWTA Cowl mod , Long Range bladders , LASAR tie downs , Stack tubes replaced w/later style , new gear donuts 2012, new hoses 2012 , Interav alternator conversion , new skytec 149nl high torque starter , SB208 complied with , quiet insulation kit , Three point amsafe inertial harnesses , Seats recovered in 2012 , one piece windshield (not speedslope) , front tire 2012 , Nav1 Narco Mk12D w/GS , Nav2 Narco Mk 12E w/GS , ID825 , ID825 , PS6000MS audio w/marker , Northstar M3 GPS , King KT71 Txp , JPI FS450 , GEM 610 , Brittain PC (inop), wingtip strobes , Annual completed 10/13 , prop is subject to ECI every 200 hrs , All ADs current , Paint is 8.5 interior is 8 , Needs a little interior work , Flys straight and fast , climbs like a homesick angel......Alan 856 419 5209 35K takes it home ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N33GG Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Beautiful aircraft! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyk628 Posted December 29, 2013 Report Share Posted December 29, 2013 Check PM looking for one like yours.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrwilson Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Crappy narco radios, jurrasic GPS, prop inspection every 200 hours, inop PC system, low SMOH time but was it an owner field overhaul? Claims 8.5 on the paint but from the pics looks more like a 7 at best. Maybe $35k was a starting negotiation point. Buyer beware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N601RX Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I believe it was purchased at an estate sale and had set for several years. When was the cowl installed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrwilson Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Years of inactivity? Wow, even worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyk628 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Engine was OH in 91, installed in 2001. (I may be a year or two off with those years,but you get the idea). Prop has the 100 AD. Panel is still shotgun. Cowl Mod looks like it was installed in the last few years (some 2012 photos I found of it showed it unpainted). However, if you look closely there is a lip between the spinner and the cowl deck. It didn't look right to me so I fwded to swta. They said it was either the engine mounts sagging or the install was shotty as they had no record of doing it. I'm not sure which way to lean on that considering the screws aren't even near the front of the cowl. I put a value on the plane of about $30k(even learning to the low side of that number) but Alan will not take $1 less than $35, so my search continues... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyk628 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Oh and for the cardinal sin of Mooney ownership....it sat outside :-( 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrwilson Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Overhauled in 91, installed in 2001?! Wow, for valuation, that is worthless and needs an overhaul...it must have been sitting for a while. I thought it was weird he mentioned new hoses in 2012 if it only had 100 smoh, since those should havebeen replaced. That much time between explains the need for new hoses...I'd say my original $30k estimate was too generous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Actually It never sat outside until I owned it , and my worthless engine is running just fine, amazing that you guys can kick the tires from 3000 miles away.....And I bought it from the guy who bought it in the 80s..... My crappy narco radios work great , and the airports havent moved since my "Jurrassic" gps was installed.....You guys definitely entertain me...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrwilson Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Well, according to you your engine runs fine, but since there is likely corrosion from that much sitting, I certainly wouldn't fly it...but we're talking value, and simply put, your engine, despite 100 SMOH, to an informed buyer, would have little value. Your narco radios, likewise , would have little value, especially since it is not a supported product. While airports don't move. Identifiers do change, I would also mention airspace and obstacle database changes, but it would not have that database. Further, you mention updated gear donuts, but those are the standard, not really an update. Yes, we are kicking tires from 3k away, much like you did with a 20C in Camarillo (3k away from you) Are you somehow more able to evaluate planes from a distance? Just using information you put out, and of course, things you left out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrwilson Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Also, not sure what type of rating scale you're using. How would an interior which you rate as an 8, require interior work? Assuming 1 - 10 scale, an 8 should be pretty good. Of course, your 8.5 rating of paint was too generous, from you pictures... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Well I guess you are the expert......Perhaps I should lower the price to 5000.00 Bottom line is I can part it out for more than 30K and I will if it comes to that..... I can easily get 10 K for the cowl , 10 K for the engine , 2.5 for the prop , 3 K for the bladders , 1200 for the gear pucks and stacks , 600 for the main wheels and brakes , 4 K for electronics , another 6 K misc ..... I will not sell it for less than the value of its parts...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Sometimes the Total is not worth the sum of its parts. I bet there are a lot of owners out there doing the same calculations and realizing they are far, far underwater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Don't Alan don't! But if you do, I got dibs on your elevators if they will fit on my F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Sometimes the Total is not worth the sum of its parts. I bet there are a lot of owners out there doing the same calculations and realizing they are far, far underwater. Much like some homeowners in today's market... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N601RX Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Unfortunately the cowl is worthless. SWTA will not transfer the STC once it has been installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 No sir you are wrong Russell will sell the STC mister expert..... I think you are worthless...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Actually , you are worthless Mr Armstead , Mr Stallings will sell the stc , or it can be installed under a field approval...... Who would approve your sorry self... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N601RX Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Both myself and another member offered him money in the last year to transfer a STC and in both cases his answer was if the part has been installed no. With you attitude it's easy to see why one wants to buy it from you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N601RX Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Actually , you are worthless Mr Armstead , Mr Stallings will sell the stc , or it can be installed under a field approval...... Who would approve your sorry self... Once again you have showed your true character. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 If that's the case genius , why didn't you get a field approval... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyk628 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Well I suppose we have reached a head. I just thought it was very ironic you were talking down the 20C in CA much like you owned the holy grail. Alan, instead of trying to sell us on how great your plane is.. you should probably just start taking it apart. I don't even know you, and I wouldn't buy your plane for $5, because you have no humility. These gentleman, as well as myself have stated mere facts about the condition of your plane, and you refuse to accept the truth. Like I told you before, any man who pays you $35k for that thing is a fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 And as I said Tony I am so jealous of your airplane...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyk628 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Actually you never said that... and that was a pretty stupid statement to make. I'm not jealous person, and I really don't care that I'm not buying your plane... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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