isaacpr7 Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 Just finished my annual inspection and my mechanic noticed one of the rubber baffles which runs the PC system was torn. Since I am so used to flying without it I decided to remove the entire system all together. Anyone interested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrach Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 What parts are you removing exactly? I may be interested! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Fox Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 I am interested in the system , does it have a nav coupler????? Call me ... Alan 856 419 5209... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schinderhannes Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 The system is in my opinion a huge safety factor and I can’t imagine why one would remove the PC system instead of getting it fixed. I just got my PC system overhauled by Brittain. (servo repair was $160). The cost is extremely reasonably (by aviation standards) and the people are very nice and helpful. If you add the Accutrack II you have a good working autopilot. We have the Accutrack II coupled to a GX60 and the system tracks within 0.1 miles even in high cross wind condition. The install is very simple to install and I saw one for sale on ebay this weekend. In the meantime if you still want to get rid of the system I am interested in all your parts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francisg Posted November 12, 2013 Report Share Posted November 12, 2013 I am interested in the complete system. please call 415-279-0609 THANKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francisg Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 Is it still available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaacpr7 Posted December 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 I am interested in the system , does it have a nav coupler????? Call me ... Alan 856 419 5209... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaacpr7 Posted December 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 The system is in my opinion a huge safety factor and I can’t imagine why one would remove the PC system instead of getting it fixed. I just got my PC system overhauled by Brittain. (servo repair was $160). The cost is extremely reasonably (by aviation standards) and the people are very nice and helpful. If you add the Accutrack II you have a good working autopilot. We have the Accutrack II coupled to a GX60 and the system tracks within 0.1 miles even in high cross wind condition. The install is very simple to install and I saw one for sale on ebay this weekend. In the meantime if you still want to get rid of the system I am interested in all your parts. I took the system off on my MX's recommendation. I don't know much about what you can do with this system other than use it as a wing leveler. I decided to take the MX's advice because the airplane pretty much flyes straight on its own. I find that the push-pull tubes give me a sense of stability that no other fly by wire aircraft has given me. Another issue I was having was that my turn coordinator was recently overhauled and the slip indicator (ball) was stuck in the middle. When I remove it from the aircraft it moves freely but when I have it installed it gets stuck in the center. When I first purchased the airplane I found a good autopilot system on ebay (Stec 60-2) taken out of a 68C just like mine but now I am thinking about selling it back for the same price I got it for (2,500) because of the news I read about being able to put non certified parts on GA aircraft. Garmin has an MFD system with free autopilot for about 10K. I don't know which way I should go with putting some sort of autopilot on my aircraft at this point (PCL, Stec, or wait for Garmin). Can someone give me some imput on what would be the most cost effective and efficient way to go? I have a GX62 that I can couple to the PCL as you suggested, but how much more functionality can I get out of this system versus an Stec or Garmin (non-cert)? Is it possible to connect the Stec to the PCL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaacpr7 Posted December 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 I took the system off on my MX's recommendation. I don't know much about what you can do with this system other than use it as a wing leveler. I decided to take the MX's advice because the airplane pretty much flyes straight on its own. I find that the push-pull tubes give me a sense of stability that no other fly by wire aircraft has given me. Another issue I was having was that my turn coordinator was recently overhauled and the slip indicator (ball) was stuck in the middle. When I remove it from the aircraft it moves freely but when I have it installed it gets stuck in the center. When I first purchased the airplane I found a good autopilot system on ebay (Stec 60-2) taken out of a 68C just like mine but now I am thinking about selling it back for the same price I got it for (2,500) because of the news I read about being able to put non certified parts on GA aircraft. Garmin has an MFD system with free autopilot for about 10K. I don't know which way I should go with putting some sort of autopilot on my aircraft at this point (PCL, Stec, or wait for Garmin). Can someone give me some imput on what would be the most cost effective and efficient way to go? I have a GX62 that I can couple to the PCL as you suggested, but how much more functionality can I get out of this system versus an Stec or Garmin (non-cert)? Is it possible to connect the Stec to the PCL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 I took the system off on my MX's recommendation. I don't know much about what you can do with this system other than use it as a wing leveler. I decided to take the MX's advice because the airplane pretty much flyes straight on its own. I find that the push-pull tubes give me a sense of stability that no other fly by wire aircraft has given me. Another issue I was having was that my turn coordinator was recently overhauled and the slip indicator (ball) was stuck in the middle. When I remove it from the aircraft it moves freely but when I have it installed it gets stuck in the center. When I first purchased the airplane I found a good autopilot system on ebay (Stec 60-2) taken out of a 68C just like mine but now I am thinking about selling it back for the same price I got it for (2,500) because of the news I read about being able to put non certified parts on GA aircraft. Garmin has an MFD system with free autopilot for about 10K. I don't know which way I should go with putting some sort of autopilot on my aircraft at this point (PCL, Stec, or wait for Garmin). Can someone give me some imput on what would be the most cost effective and efficient way to go? I have a GX62 that I can couple to the PCL as you suggested, but how much more functionality can I get out of this system versus an Stec or Garmin (non-cert)? Is it possible to connect the Stec to the PCL? The reason people commented how they did was because the autopilot you removed could have been used as the basic building block for a more extensive system. That said, I went down the same path you are headed. I could not locate any additional hardware to make my wing leveler complete. So I removed it as well. Upgrading your autopilot, will involve understanding what is certified to be used with your airplane. No airplane mechanic will sign off on a non-certified auto pilot in a certified airplane. The autopilot you purchased, would also need to have the paperwork updated by Cobham. They would need to re-issue the STC for your plane. And of course they charge for this. You have not indicated what type of flying you are doing. If you fly IFR on a regular basis, a more elaborate system will be more beneficial to you. If you are looking for just an autopilot to help with the workload on long cross countries and you're not too concerned about approach capabilities, a lesser autopilot will work for you. Tell us a little bit more about your intentions with the plane. Do you plan on keeping it for a long period of time? In my situation, I was doing IFR flying on a regular basis. My wing leveler was not working and I could not locate parts to upgrade it to do coupling with the navigation system. I removed it and install an STEC 60–2. That was back in 1998. So you can see that I got my money's worth out of it. With my more recent decision to upgrade my avionics stack, the STEC became the center for the upgrade. What I upgraded to now includes the STEC as an intergal part of the solution. Tell us more about your plans and type of flying you're doing. I'm sure there are number of people here who can offer advice. We are good at spending other people's money :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob - S50 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 When I first purchased the airplane I found a good autopilot system on ebay (Stec 60-2) taken out of a 68C just like mine but now I am thinking about selling it back for the same price I got it for (2,500) because of the news I read about being able to put non certified parts on GA aircraft. If you are thinking non-certified it will probably be a couple years before you can do that. Depends on if you want to wait that long or not and then live with any limitations the FAA decides to impose. If you do want to go that route, you might also look at Trio http://trioavionics.com Prices range from $1800 to $3100. I think that includes the servos. However, once again, you may not install it yet because it may not be used on certified aircraft at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaacpr7 Posted December 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 The reason people commented how they did was because the autopilot you removed could have been used as the basic building block for a more extensive system. That said, I went down the same path you are headed. I could not locate any additional hardware to make my wing leveler complete. So I removed it as well. Upgrading your autopilot, will involve understanding what is certified to be used with your airplane. No airplane mechanic will sign off on a non-certified auto pilot in a certified airplane. The autopilot you purchased, would also need to have the paperwork updated by Cobham. They would need to re-issue the STC for your plane. And of course they charge for this. You have not indicated what type of flying you are doing. If you fly IFR on a regular basis, a more elaborate system will be more beneficial to you. If you are looking for just an autopilot to help with the workload on long cross countries and you're not too concerned about approach capabilities, a lesser autopilot will work for you. Tell us a little bit more about your intentions with the plane. Do you plan on keeping it for a long period of time? In my situation, I was doing IFR flying on a regular basis. My wing leveler was not working and I could not locate parts to upgrade it to do coupling with the navigation system. I removed it and install an STEC 60–2. That was back in 1998. So you can see that I got my money's worth out of it. With my more recent decision to upgrade my avionics stack, the STEC became the center for the upgrade. What I upgraded to now includes the STEC as an intergal part of the solution. Tell us more about your plans and type of flying you're doing. I'm sure there are number of people here who can offer advice. We are good at spending other people's money :-) Marauder, Thank you so much for taking the time to making things more clear for me. I plan to use the aircraft for as many years as possible. I will be using it mainly to travel on long xcounty flights and work my way up the ratings ladder. Currently it is equipped with an ILS glide slope indicator coupled to the KX-155 and a CDI coupled to the GPS (Apollo GX65 GPS/COMM). From what I understand the GX65 is IFR approved for enroute but not for the approach. I have all the parts required to make the PC a complete system. The only reason it was not working is because the rubber boots were all torn. The other thing I noticed was that the turn coordinator's inclinometer was stuck in the center while installed. When I removed the coordinator the ball ran free. Unlike a standard turn coordinator that has a ball inside of fluid, my turn cooridinator's inclinometer looks like a pendulum. I was wondering, how much did it cost you to have your 60-2 system certified? Hopeflully I can get people to help spend my money in the most economical maner possible, LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Looks like you still have a couple of paths you can take. Sounds like you have most of the components to make your Brittain system functional. I still have components I removed, including the boots. You are more than welcome to them if you want to piece your system back together again. Including the TC As for the STEC 60-2, I hope you are seated. Back in 1998 I paid around $11k installed. Today I think the same system is over $22k. With the way the market is today, you may find a plane that meets all of your requirements with it costing you less in the long haul. Trust me, if I didn't plan on keeping my Mooney for the long haul, I would have looked at the available planes out there. I am going on my 23rd year of ownership and have no plans on selling... If you want advice on anything, please let me know. I will try to help you out. I've had some major surgery done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carusoam Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Chris, that's challenging to look at... Post the after picture next to it as a happy ending to the story. Best regards, -a- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Here you go... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaacpr7 Posted December 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Looks like you still have a couple of paths you can take. Sounds like you have most of the components to make your Brittain system functional. I still have components I removed, including the boots. You are more than welcome to them if you want to piece your system back together again. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1386727322.330876.jpg Including the TC ImageUploadedByTapatalk1386727374.720495.jpg ImageUploadedByTapatalk1386727418.500103.jpg As for the STEC 60-2, I hope you are seated. Back in 1998 I paid around $11k installed. Today I think the same system is over $22k. With the way the market is today, you may find a plane that meets all of your requirements with it costing you less in the long haul. Trust me, if I didn't plan on keeping my Mooney for the long haul, I would have looked at the available planes out there. I am going on my 23rd year of ownership and have no plans on selling... If you want advice on anything, please let me know. I will try to help you out. I've had some major surgery done... ImageUploadedByTapatalk1386727946.902013.jpg Can you tell me if I am missing anything else to make the system work? I have four servos (two with red tubes attached; two with green tubes attached; all rubber boots ripped), the turn coordinator (slip indicator does not work when installed because the pendulum type ball is stuck in the center); the last component is some sort of vacum manifold that connects basically everything together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaacpr7 Posted December 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Here you go... What a dream panel. Maybe when I own the airplane for a decade I will be able to put something in like this, or maybe we will be able to put non-certified parts in a few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Can you tell me if I am missing anything else to make the system work? I have four servos (two with red tubes attached; two with green tubes attached; all rubber boots ripped), the turn coordinator (slip indicator does not work when installed because the pendulum type ball is stuck in the center); the last component is some sort of vacum manifold that connects basically everything together. Do be honest, I'm not sure. Let me look in my toy box and see what is there. Be right back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Here is what I have... None of the boots appeared ripped. These are the turn coordinator parts. Don't remember what the round thing does. I think this is the vacuum interrupt solenoid that connects to the yoke. And I remember these vacuum filters pissed me off. With the label: And with the label removed: What a racket... If you can find out if they will help, they are yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaacpr7 Posted December 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Here is what I have... ImageUploadedByTapatalk1386813744.961253.jpg ImageUploadedByTapatalk1386813781.378135.jpg None of the boots appeared ripped. These are the turn coordinator parts. Don't remember what the round thing does. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1386813866.168148.jpg I think this is the vacuum interrupt solenoid that connects to the yoke. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1386813926.876678.jpg And I remember these vacuum filters pissed me off. With the label: ImageUploadedByTapatalk1386814052.600568.jpg And with the label removed: ImageUploadedByTapatalk1386814131.242044.jpg What a racket... If you can find out if they will help, they are yours. PM sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francisg Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 IS it still available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaacpr7 Posted December 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 IS it still available? Not anymore francis. Sorry. I was convinced to put it back into operation by some mooniacs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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