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  1. Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum and settled on Mooney ownership, trying to decide between a J or K (252). I have read many other old forum posts on this topic, but I want to hear from you all who have flown both the J and K out in the mountainous areas west of Denver. I'm leaning in the direction of the turbo, but justifying the purchase and maintenance costs is making the decision a bit challenging. Just to be clear, I can definitely afford the K, but a wider dollar cushion is always nice to have. For clarity, I'm only considering the 252 variant of the K because I don't want to worry about the financial or mental workload of those premature high-altitude systems in the 231. Background: ATP and lifelong involvement in GA to at least some extent. Living in Flagstaff, AZ and based in Salt Lake City for work. The mission for the airplane would involved recreational cross country flights of 300NM or greater between four times per year and once per month. Using the airplane for commuting to work would be a desirable option, but not essential by any means. On the weekend trips most of the time we would be hauling just two people plus light bags. Occasionally a friend or family may join us. The vast majority of flying we would be doing would also be the most important stuff, flying down to lower elevation fields within the state of Arizona. No matter which type, night flying and approaches with ceilings below 1000 feet are no-go territory. Long story short; the main mission would be bumming around the "local" area for fun with about 30-40% serious, mountain-topping cross-country flying being a highly desirable option. My concerns with the J are performance above 15,000 feet and dispatch reliability given weather conditions. I like the systems simplicity and the associated lower burden of cost while enjoying the relative simplicity on fun-flying days. My concerns with the K are reliability, maintenance cost, the effect complex systems have on "fun factor" when hanging flying around the local area, and whether you all feel those are justified by any increased dispatch reliability. Thank you all for your responses, and stay safe up there! -Rich
  2. Serial # 24-0953 Registration # N3827H IO-550-A, 300 HP, Continental Engine, 1920.21 Airframe, Total Time engine 565.87 on new engine. (currently being flown). Prop 3 Blade Hartzell. Prop Notes 565.87 Since new. Avionics/Radios/Equipment Contact Plane.LLC1@gmail.com with questions Century NSD 360 slaved HSI (rebuilt 6 months ago) Century 2000 2 axis autopilot with auto trim expansion, yoke button disconnect. Alt hold MX 170B and King 170B Nav /Com, w/glideslope KT 76A transponder with altitude encoding SF 2000 Strikefinder Slaved Northstar 600 GPS (VFR) Stratus GPS + Foreflight on an Ipad included KN 72 Omniconverter KN 62A DME , KR 86 ADF Hoskins CFS 1000a fuel computer/ Totalizer Insight Gem 602 graphic engine monitor, 6 cylinder SVS-11 standby vacuum system Sigtronics 4 place intercom late model wing tips w/strobes Recent leather interior Door seal hand pump Garmin G35 antenna installed ready for upgrade to ADSB Electric Trim, Push-to-Talk pilot and co-pilot on yoke Increased Gross Weight - 3200 LBS. Useful Load: 1090 , lbs (approx), speed max 230 mph +. Hangered full time. Please text for full log books and more photos
  3. Mooney M20J Service and Maintenance Manual (#123 December 1998) uploaded to the documents section and here. Have fun. Mooney Service Manuel M20J Vol. 1 of 2.pdf Mooney Service Manuel M20J Vol. 2 of 2.pdf
  4. Version 1.0.0

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    Manual #123, Issued December 1998 File 1 of 2 Airframe File 2 of 2 Electrical
  5. A few days ago we took off and retracted gear and then in the middle of the flight the gear actuator circuit popped. The manual gear latch was closed and it popped when there was no apparent load on the motor. The breaker would not go back in. We manually dropped gear and took it to mechanic who could not find anything wrong. The breaker went back in and there have been no issues for 14+ takeoffs and landings. Then it happened again. Gear came up normally then in the middle of the flight it popped about 10 minutes after takeoff and when we landed the breaker pressed back in and stayed and it hasn’t happened again. I am wondering if it could be something to do with the gear up limit switch. Maybe the motor brings the gear up occasionally then doesn’t shut off which leads to the breaker popping. Has anyone had this happen and any ideas? Thanks!
  6. Who is worried about the future of general aviation internal combustion engine aircraft? I have concerns about what the future holds with regard to avgas burning light craft. The two biggest concerns are what will the future valuations look like if fuel prices rise dramatically and also the cost of operation. Car manufactures are pivoting to electric at a rapid pace with HUGE agendas for close to total electrification by 2030 for many. Both GM and Ford (among the other big guys ) are really rolling out the agenda. Will governments push their populations into car electrification by huge gasoline fuel prices increases with knock on effects for light aircraft? Will existing internal combustion light aircraft give way to newer electric aircraft, with an off the cliff dive of light aircraft prices as demand dries up? Interested in any informed predictions and timelines...
  7. Found a 7/16-20 hex nut on the floor about 6 inches aft of the rudder pedals on the copilot side of my 1988 M20J 205SE. The nut is 1/4 inch thick. Just a basic hex nut; not a locking nut. Brakes are only on the pilot side. I spent a good while looking up under the panel on the copilot side and at the center console area and around the copilot rudder pedals. All flight control linkages, control linkage mounting points and other hardware use substantially smaller nuts. This 7/16 inch hex nut is much larger than any others I saw being used in the cockpit area. Maybe it came off some part of the seat; I haven't checked that. Any idea where this nut fell from?
  8. Since I made the conversion to an A3B6 from the A3B6D the prop control is very stiff. I can, with one hand push in the button and pull out the control, but it is extremely stiff. The governor position was changed and the governor is new (rebuilt) and is the correct part number. The cable has no kinks and the cable to governor angle seems OK. I don't recall this being an issue before the changes were made. Since the cable angle seems OK I want to check the force necessary to move the governor arm. If I were to disconnect the cable at the governor would I be able to move the governor arm by hand?
  9. Hello all. Myself and 3 partners are looking for a 5th person to join us in buying an M20J or M20K. The plane will be based out of Centennial, CO (KAPA, near Denver). Some details below: Buy In (per person): $27K ---> After legal fees for the partnership doc, an initial maintenance reserve, pre-purchase inspection, sales tax, etc. that results in a buying power of ~$117k Estimated Monthly Fixed Costs (per person): $275 Desired Avionics (buy a plane with them installed, or buy a cheaper plane and put them in): ---> Advanced Engine Monitor (JPI/Garmin/EDM) ---> Garmin WAAS GPS ---> GFC 500 ---> G5s as required to run GFC 500. If you are interested, please DM me! I hope this is the right thread for this post.
  10. Anyone have any experience with the latest LED landing lights from Whelen or AeroLEDs? Since we have an M20J with a single PAR46 in the cowl, the AeroLEDs Sunspot 46LX with both landing and taxi optics is attractive. Thoughts? Anyone try the latest Whelen Parmetheus Pro PAR46 light yet?
  11. From the album: 84 M20J pics

    Taken a "few" years ago.
  12. Fly_M20R

    Angel Falls

    From the album: 84 M20J pics

    Angel Falls from above and below
  13. My good friend and a Mooney M20J old timer has an issue with his IO360 . His engine was running rough due to low (zero) compression on one cylinder after take off from KSBP. It appears that one of the intake valves is cupped and not seating properly. Please see the pic. A sticky intake valve is the primary suspect. Has anyone seen this and has any idea what could cause it? The mechanic pulled the cylinder today and will send it out for repair. The main question is what could cause this other than a sticky valve?
  14. This Veteran's Day weekend, an M20J went down in the marsh short of the runway at Northeast Florida Regional Airport (KSGJ). Two were on board, the pilot and a nineteen year old passenger. Reports of "mechanical failure" from the pilot to first responders and the media were conveyed. The mishap occurred Sunday morning, November 10th, 2019, shortly before ten o'clock A.M. There were mild to moderate injuries to the occupants. Just a heads-up for the community and spot to add any additional information that might trickle in over the next few days... Important to learn from others misfortunes. Best wishes to pilot and passenger.
  15. Hello everyone, As the title implies, I'm brand new to MS and will be looking to find an M20F (unless I pull the trigger on a J) within the next year or so. Eventually, I'll be permanently based out of Santa Barbara. I fly active duty for the Navy and have done the mil comp commercial and CFII, and I did my ATP about 6 months ago. I've been watching massive chunks of my life disappear recently to the depths of MS... thanks to everyone that contributes to this impressive website! I have a couple friends that own F's, both are in the Navy as well, and I have broken their will to live with my constant questioning. And so begins my onslaught of questions on MS I've been looking into options at Santa Barbara as far as hangar space or covered parking (I don't know if there is any besides a hangar) or simply a tie down. The city owns 24 T-hangars that it rents out to the tune of $821/month + utilities. Currently there aren't any T-hangars or tie downs available according to the city's website. 1) Is anyone based at SBA, or have up-to-date knowledge of the general aviation life there? 2) Does anyone know of a well looked after F or J that could be on the market in the next year? 3) What events are there in the central CA area where I could meet local Mooney owners as I begin this journey? Thanks for any info and thanks again for all the time taken to contribute to MS! Loner
  16. I'm beginning the search for a Mooney and I thought I had narrowed the choices down to J model. However, now I'm questioning if it's really worth the premium over a well equipped late model F. Assuming a similarly equipped F with a few speed mods, can you guys help me with some pros and cons? After a fair amount of research, here are a few to start with. Pros of a J model over an F generally at least 10 years newer airframe Speed mods already built in Generally better cockpit configuration depending on year Higher VLE ('78+) Better fuel switch (not sure what year the 'off in the middle' ended) A few extra knots depending on the speed mods on an F Cons of a J model Good examples priced at least 20-30k more than similarly equipped F
  17. Selling our 1978 M20J 201. 2102TT Airframe, 445 SMOH. The plane has the original paint and an interior from 2002. The aircraft is fully 2020 compliant with a Lynx NGT-9000 transponder. Other avionics: Avidyne IFD-540, Garmin SL-30, Garmin GMA-240, Shadin Miniflo, Insight G1, Century IIB. Aircraft had a gear up more than 10 years ago and later has some skin replaced on the tail due to an unfortunate encounter with a hangar door. The aircraft also has speed brakes and the wingtips are modified to match later production Mooney 201s. The annual was just completed by Phil Jimenez at PJ Aircraft in Avon Park, FL - Next Due February, 2020. Currently located at FMY and flying regularly, so times will increase. You can reach me at cmb160632@gmail.com, 678-591-7478 or here on Mooneyspace. Thanks, Chris Bradshaw
  18. In March of 2015, we finalized the purchase agreement of N4352H, a 1979 Mooney M20J “201”. Early in 2017, we decided it was time to do a full modernization project and ensure the safest and most capable aircraft we possibly could. We figured that this project would take just shy of one year, so I dropped the airplane off one day before new hire class for my airline started. Upon purchase, the aircraft was equipped with the Aspen PFD2000 system, a single Garmin GNS-430W, the S-TEC55X autopilot, as well as the Lycoming IO-360-B3A6. With the exception of those upgrades, the airplane remained relatively original in its equipment. Her most recent coat of paint was put on in 2001 and scored as a 7/10, her interior was from 1997 and also was 7/10. Avionics: We first started the project at Airborne Electronics in Sacramento, California (KSAC), with an entire overhaul of the panel. After much debate, the decision was made for the following equipment: Aspen PFD2000, with Synthetic Vision (previously installed) JPI EDM 900 Garmin GTN 750 Garmin GTN 650 Garmin G5 standby attitude indicator PS Engineering 8000G audio panel Garmin GTX 345 transponder S-TEC55X with altitude preselect P2 audio advisory system Below is the old wiring being dealt with as we progressed through the tear out process. New wiring being installed, not a single one of the original wires were retained: The panel layout was drafted several times throughout the process and mocked up with cardboard cutouts: After harnesses were created the panel was cut and powder coated. All harnesses were assembled in a manner that lets the avionics tech remove a few screws and pull the individual components down and underneath the panel for ease of maintenance: Finally, operational testing of the equipment began, this was an exciting day for all of us: As an aside, I hated the rocker switches in the original panel, so we went with a more typical switch setup, for any CRJ drivers, you may recognize that battery master switch: The panel and glare shield once installation was complete and she was ready for her ferry flight to Auburn, California (KAUN) for annual: After annual she began her last flight as N4352H down to Santa Maria, California (KSMX) for paint art Art-Craft Paint (http://artcraftpaint.com/). Paint: I dropped the airplane off at Art-Craft and discussed our project. They were certain they could pull off the design within the 30 day window as quoted, and they delivered perfectly on time and on budget. The masking and foil process began the day I dropped her off: The paint was stripped and they kept me updated every Friday (minimum) as to her progress of becoming N187CT. The base layer was applied: And finally the picture that got me the most excited about this project, seeing the paint start to come together, taken two days before delivery day: Finally delivery day! I showed up via Uber as they were just putting the finishing touches on the aircraft: The final product. It was a mix between the Mooney Acclaim paint job, and another scheme that I preferred for the tail design: Below is the original design that we presented to them: Interior: We contacted Bruce Jaeger of Spatial Interiors (jaegeraviation.com) to come out to Sacramento to help us bring the interior into a modern age and style. Bruce spent three days in the middle of summer heat reconditioning and repairing our original 1979 plastics. The results were incredible. The attention to detail that Bruce demonstrated was second to none. He spent the time to repaint the center control stack as well to bring it inline with the rest of the aircraft stylization as well. Finally, the seats were updated to include "Mooney 201" badging. All in, the project took about 9 months, a long time to be without our beloved Mooney, however it was the best decision we felt we could have made to create our dream airplane. Kyle http://www.comstockaviation.com/
  19. I bought a 1982 M20J 201 back in April and I took it for my first night flight the other evening. I didn't notice anything unusual until I was in flight for several minutes, at which point the panel lights started changing intensity at a rate of perhaps 2 Hz...bright-dim-bright, a bit random. I then looked at the ammeter and the needle swings pretty wide left and right of zero in time with the panel light fluctuations. I have a JPI EDM-700 and it logs various voltages from 13.6 to 14.5. The problem is also intermittent. Most times it doesn't happen until in flight (I've made a point of checking for it every time I fly now), and it will just stop happening for many seconds or even minutes at a time, then starts up again. Sometimes it happens on taxi to runway, sometimes not. I can't yet figure out what causes it to happen.. It's also probably a long-standing issue that I only happened to notice the other night since it was the first time I'd actually flown with the panel lights turned up and visible. I downloaded the last 50 flights from the EDM-700 yesterday and as far back as it has been recording (just since June- I'm in IR training in this plane), it has been recording variable voltage like this. Nothing else seems wrong and only direct DC loads like the panel lights (and presumably the landing light) are clearly affected. I just re-tensioned the alternator belt but that didn't help. The belt is old and I got a good look at the inner surfaces between the ridges - it has some cracking and in general looks worn, but I'm not sure it could be slipping for minutes at a time and then just stop slipping for a while, etc. And it's definitely under good tension as of this evening but a test flight after that revealed no change in the behavior. I also inspected the wires on the back of the alternator. The field wire (I think it's the field wire) is a bit damaged a few inches away from where it connects to the alternator (like, the insulation was nicked or something at some point), but it doesn't seem like it is a broken connection, just some exposed conductor for about 1/8" along the wire in free space there. I decided not to disturb it since I was tensioning the belt and wanted to address one variable at a time. Anyone else ever see a problem like this?
  20. I am sure this subject has come up before, but I can't find the details needed. Many publications discuss the cost of an engine overhaul, different options, different suppliers, etc. Yet I would like to know how much more the aircraft owner has to put aside for the items typically not included. And numbers from within the last 5 or max 10 years are of course more interesting than older bills. Consider your IO-360 has lasted 30 years and never failed, and now it's time for major work. Engine accessories are almost always included or listed, but what about the following firewall forward items which aren't any younger : engine mount - inspection and repair, exhaust - new (if welding isn't economical), oil cooler, and the related cost of labor, shipping, taxes, etc. Anything one cannot simply postpone until it really requires replacement or overhaul because that would come even more expensive. Any real data / bills / experience on this very welcome. It is clear that the cost will vary a lot from case to case. Would could be a worst case ?
  21. Looking for a PIREP on 1978 M20J, N201LC, that has been for sale for a while on MAPA classifieds. Has anyone seen this airplane in person? Hangared at KUGN (IL). Thank you in advance.
  22. Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum (also knew to airplane ownership). Since I bought my 77' M20J a month ago I have been having problems with starting it. When I follow the POH, the engine doesn't start on my first attempt. After letting the starter cool, I cycle the throttle and mixture and it usually starts on the second or third attempt. Most of my flight experience has been in CG helicopters - with digital engine controls, and I've never had starting problems. My problem might just be my limited experience with GA aircraft. These are the key steps I follow in starting my Mooney. Can any of you give me advice? Am I doing something wrong? 1. Electric boost pump ON (1-2 seconds, to establish fuel pressure) 2. Mixture full forward for 3-5 seconds. (when I do this, the fuel pressure drops) then IDLE CUTOFF 3. Throttle 1/4 forward 4. Engage starter 5. Once the engine starts, Mixture slowly to full rich 6. Throttle - 1000-1200 RPM Thanks, Roger
  23. Hi, me and my Mooney are based in Germany and I‘m looking for a used / new glareshild. Could anyone give me a useful link? Thanks in advance.
  24. I am looking for a recommendation for an annual inspection in Bismarck, North Dakota. I have had two shops recommended but neither were from Mooney drivers. They were: Bismarck Aero Center, Inc. and Executive Air in Bismarck in North Dakota Any Bismarck / North Dakota Mooney owners have experience with either of these two? I thank you in advance!
  25. Hello,I’ve been searching for my first Mooney for the past 12 months and studied the pros/cons of the models within my budget. I've found a 231 priced like a 201 (for some reasons) and I am about to send her for a PPI but I am having second thoughts after receiving several warnings about the TSIO 360 (this bird is fitted with the LB version with Intercooler).In my view, the pros of a 231 vs. 201 are:- De-iced prop- Option to climb if caught in icing- Climb above most WX- Fly faster in high teens FL- Better original avionics e.g. KFC200The cons are:- Bad reputation of the Continental TSIO 360 vs. the Lycoming in the 201- Serious engine management required- Increased maintenance costsIn terms of mission, I am looking at the following:- 2 pax & luggage for long weekends- 3h legs --could push my wife to 4h if it’s to go somewhere sunny - UK-based- Trips to Western Europe/Nordics/AlpsI’ve heard so many contradicting advice that I am a bit lost now and would love to hear from the experts experienced with both birds (if possible as owners/mechanics/pilots). Thank you !
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