Cabanaboy

On 8/2/2023 at 1:41 PM, toto said:

Electroair is the only company with an STC for the single drive dual mag.

Anyone interested in Electroair Mag Conversion here is letter from supplier Smooth Power LLC and whats involved :

Yes, Electroair now has a solution for the single drive Bendix dual magneto. The old magneto gets removed and actually returned to Electroair as there is a $1,000.00 core charge which you will get back when they receive it. Electroair wants to get these magnetos off the market.

The equipment consists of the EIS-42000DM which is actually two ignition kits, an EIS-41000 and an EIS-41000IC. One kit used a crankshaft trigger wheel to produce the timing signal and the other kit used what we call a mag timing housing, replaces the old magneto, to create the timing signal. The kits also include two controllers, brain boxes, and two large inductive coils, spark plug wires and hardware and the master wiring harness. In addition you will also need the EA-23000 ignition switch panel in either the horizontal or vertical configuration. This switch replaces your current rotary key switch which will not work well with the Electroair ignition. You will also need the EA-26000-(12 or24) battery condition panel which is how you the operator knows what is going on with your ignition systems and battery before, during and after flight. You will also need eight high energy spark plugs, unless you have either 37BY or 40s or 38S plugs installed. These are the only standard spark plugs that can potentially have the electrode gaps opened up enough for the high energy ignition. Electroair does have their own line of high energy spark plugs which are manufactured to their specifications by Tempest.

Last but not least you will need either a backup battery system, which we also distribute, which is produced by TCW Technologies. There have been a couple of folks who have received field approvals on the M20J to install the B&C Specialties standy by alternators. We do not distribute the alternators.

If you have any questions or would like pricing just let me know. Feel free to call me at 281-728-8732 any time before 5 central.

https://www.tcwtech.com/product/integrated-battery-back-up-system-ibbs/

https://www.aviationconsumer.com/accessories/standby-alternators-availability-increasing/

I do not have hardly any facts but i just called Surefly and she asked what engine(IO-360-A3-B3D) and she says their system wont work because its a "single drive duel mag" system. What yall think? What about ElectroAir system? do those work with that engine? My actual mag is part number D4LN-3000

https://smoothpowerllc.com/4-cylinder-ignition-kits/

On 5/13/2022 at 10:03 AM, PT20J said:

What did it cost?
 

$406 in 2019 from Bendix King (Mooney was way more)

02-2019 I was able to order one from Bendix King(my shop did as they are a Bendix King "dealer"  Bendix Phone -->855-250-7027

Wanted to make sure i posted where and how i got part 088-01991-0004 called Switch Cap Assembly.

36 minutes ago, GeneralT001 said:

Hi,

Sorry to make a slight course direction here....but I was wondering...as I also am probably going to get the GTN750Xi. I see you have the same A/P as me (the KAP150)...and mentioned that you were able to capture the GS on the ILS and the A/P flew itself down. Just confirm for me...the KAP150 cannot fly the GS by itself as far as I know...so how is it able to fly it down with the GTN?

Forgive my ignorance  

My GI-275 and GTN750xi will fly a ILS glide slope as well as GPS full approaches with procedure turns, DME Arcs etc  and Glideslopes.  I would assume it do the same with a King HSI but not sure. In this image the KAP150 AP is flying the GPS glide slope in Approach Mode in HYW.  It does not fly descents from say one way point to another as far as i can tell like the Garmin AP will,

Of course the were it says GTN750 is greyed out for port number notes([1] [2])

23 minutes ago, midlifeflyer said:

It was supposedly this page out of the most current STC Installation Manual.  I'll report what my friend finds. He doesn't use his GTN CDI key so he doesn't even recall whether it's disabled or not. 

Anyone pick up on the Main indicator "ANALOG" = disabled?

12 hours ago, PT20J said:

This whole thread would be unnecessary if Garmin would just make the STC documentation available to owners (who pay the bills, BTW). Then the OP could have just looked it up. 

Does your autopilot have a GO AROUND (a.k.a. TOGA) button that closes momentarily to ground? If so, you can hook the GTN up to it and pressing GO AROUND will cycle the GPS onto the missed approach (assuming there is not some configuration detail hidden in GI installation that prohibits this). It works with my G3X / GFC 500 but it shouldn't matter to the GTN -- it doesn't know what kind of autopilot you have.

Skip

My AP is a KAP150, does not have a Go around feature(as far as i know anyway)

20 hours ago, midlifeflyer said:

I'm northwest of you in the Raleigh area (based at TTA) and have been there a few times. It's still a bit of a maybe but I'm planning a round robin down to OGB and have been thinking about coming back via the coast to add some time (it's an insurance thing).

Feel free to stop in here at MYR(my base) or CRE on your way back, i'll can meet you at airport and if time for lunch we can go for lunch,.  Or anytime you want to just fly down, looks like a pretty short hop.  - King M.

11 hours ago, midlifeflyer said:

As @N231BN said, the next step is to unsuspend and activate the missed. Did you do that? If so, ideally, the GI should have switched to pink needles for guidance on the missed. If not, you'll need to use the GI to manually switch. 

Although I personally don't use the 750 CDI in this type of situation, I think  you should be able to use either. Hopefully you'll find out why the 750 CDI switch is disabled. Necessary for some reason or just an installer preference.

BTW, are you based at MYR or nearby?

Hey, yes I am based at KMYR!

38 minutes ago, midlifeflyer said:

The GTN "properly configured" could simply mean auto-switching is turned on regardless whether the manual CDI button is on the GTN or GI.  Or it could just mean the GTN knows where it is and is providing location information to the GI. 

I'm probably wrong but here's my mental picture. We don't fly the GTN CDI - that's only for situational awareness. There has to be an external CDI of some sort (I think that's actually in the limitations). We fly the CDI on the PFD/HSI/OBS. The only thing a CDI button does whether on the panel the PFD or the GPS is manually change the navigation source being used as primary by the PFD/HSI/OBS. That goes back to the earliest days of IFR GPS navigation. 

So I think that when the GTN is sans CDI button, it only means manual CDI switching has been deferred to something else like the PFD. Everything else is the same. 

That said, I would have the same complaint as you. There's no reason for the GTN to be without the CDI button. I've seen a number of GTN/PFD combos and you can manually switch CDIs on either unit. I'm flying with a pilot with a GTN650 and GI 275 and I'm pretty sure it can be done on both.  I've seen GTN/GDU installations with switching available in both places as well.

Here is the GTN and 275 display when the Missed Apprch option appeared yesterdays ILS approach 18 KMYR

On 1/11/2022 at 4:10 PM, midlifeflyer said:

This is what it looks like with a CDI key. The VLOC indicates the CDI selection. The LNAV indicates what the GPS, not the PFD CDI, is tracking. With no CDI key I wouldn't necesssarily expect to see the VLOC annunciation at all.

Mine just does not have the CDI enabled and I am trying to figure out why and what utility i may be missing. I have not heard back from shop yet and will have to call in i guess. I was hoping someone that uses the CDI key would be able to enlighten us.

This guy(Bob at Aero Lab Aviation is supposed to be really good at overhauling and does them quickly as there are not as many these days, i was quoted good price, ended up installing a GI275 but he came highly recommended.

Aero Lab Aviation.   http://www.aerolabaviation.com/

email - robert@aerolabaviation.com

Using the PC Garmin Trainer Software download (does not have a gi275) but shows CDI enabled and seems to function to effect a VLOC on the GPS and Digital EFIS when pushed. I do not remember my GTN ever switching to VLOC mode in the GPS but need to  check the Autoswitch setting and watch when flying into switching range. See screen print, loaded only ILS 18 approach to KMYR. Flight plan KHYW - KMYR

Few images from 750xi Manual

6 hours ago, midlifeflyer said:

Many simply prefer the simplicity of RNAV and  avoid even ILS approaches with the new boxes unless they have to. When I do a checkout, IPC or recurrent instrument training, I insist on performance of an ILS to missed - coupled assuming they have an autopilot - simply because of all the extra switching / button pushing / confirmations involved. The ILS was the definition of simplicity old school but the coupled ILS to missed with a new box has the ability to demonstrate just about every gotcha the system is capable of. (My personal favorite is the non-GPSS autopilot turning the wrong way on a course reversal in NAV mode.)

Mark can you help me/us understand what the GPS is doing when it is switched into VLOC mode when pressing the CDI key(my GTN750 does not display CDI Key). How is the Autopilot tracking the ILS glide slope (I did have GPS Tuned to ILS Freq in NAV1 on GTN)  My GI-275 was in LOC Mode in green and the Autopilot captured the Glideslope although the GPS was displaying GPS mode. What benefit does the CDI provide on the GPS?  Im sure what i am asking is clear as mud the way i am describing this.  Anyone?

great info guys, i am hoping my installer can help me understand what we need to do. I do not see much conversations or discussions on ILS,  VOR approach procedures with these avionics. What a great resource we have here on web/mooneyspace. Still learning and working through this. Hopefully the info can help others as well in the future trying understand the issue. Any info i get i will post. thanks everyone. Garmin Pilot ops could not answer this question but they are not an "install" information resource.

2 hours ago, PeteMc said:

Picture you're showing of the 275 does show LOC and is green, so it would appear that it is following the ILS/LOC.  But certainly worth checking out if you're supposed to be able to change that on the 750 or just on the 275.

Yeah thats what i was thinking and not sure why the CDI key is not there, I flew approach yesterday and it captured the Glide Slope flew me down. But the GPS remained in GPS Mode.

1 minute ago, PT20J said:

I believe it's a setting on the Main Indicator (Analog) page in configuration mode.

thanks, Configuration Mode probably means installer/dealer can only set it I assume, can you think of any reason why they would not have enabled? Forgot? I have an email in to them.

My GTN 750xi does not have a CDI Key that toggles between Navigation Sources. I have two GI-275's and can click CDI key on the GI275 HSI but the GPS remains in GPS Mode. 

My paper install manual filled out by installer has check mark on CDI Key enabled.

Most videos I see seem to have them on and working changing annunicator to VLOC in green on GPS.

Wondering if anyone understands how that works?

Thanks

Gorgeous  ! great job!!

I was looking for these 2 weeks ago and was able to find only one. Called Rochester and they said Only Mooney can buy them. After speaking with several shops what i found was Mooney does not want sell just the dial anymore. One guy said you have to send the entire unit and have it overhauled/calibrated and then they can provide/install a new dial.

One Mooney Service Center said that Air Parts of Lockhaven does that. I called and i think he said was $178 per side to do., 

http://www.airpartsoflockhaven.com/

On 9/2/2021 at 1:07 PM, donkaye said:

You'e not going to get it without additional hardware from Garmin.

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i use the Garmin inReach mini and you can send and receive texts through your phone. You can share your track for people on the ground as well and SOS.

I have the lowest cost plan like $14/month, limited free text but per text cost not expensive if you go over.

message sent, thanks !