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That would be terrific! I can be reached at stig@ravdal.com. Thank you kindly!! Stig

Does anyone have an electronic copy of the Ovation 2 POH? Electronic/pdf for 29-0430+ s/n / 2006 Thanks, Stig

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They are not too pricey but I don't know if it makes sense to have 2 GI-275s just to have redundancy for EIS. Again, I think I could manage to come down by sound and feel if I had to.

This is what I see as the greatest benefit, not having to look under yoke (current position of JPI 700), or over to the right where it would be possible to fit in the 930 screen. Doing the split screen: map/MFD, PFD, EIS right in front is pretty terrific. Should it fail and I am left with using the backup GI-275 for the AI/speed/alt to get on the ground, I am pretty comfortable I would be able to manage the engine by sound and habit. Going down is mostly about not shock cooling, bringing the mixture in... and avoiding the MPs getting too high. If I had to, I think I could manage that. Not sure but if you can grab data from the TXi onto iPad, you have some numbers like fuel to look at as you make your way to the ground... Swapping KFC150 with GFC will come later. KFC 150 is rock solid and can be driven by GI-275 or TXi and setup with it's own Garmin controls as well.

This is a lot like the panel I am having quoted. I like the GI-275 over the G5 which many have as backup. I am wondering if there is a weight penalty going with the GI-275 over G5 and the G5 has great battery backup which I don't believe the GI-275 has. However, there biggest thing is whether or not you need as much of an instrument as the GI-275 has to offer over a G5. I'm reading up on it as much as I can... Might be something else that drives the decision I am unaware of.

A G3X 7" is not a bad idea either. Not sure if it could serve as a backup to the Txi if that failed but might not need that. Interesting for sure. Current plan is to use a GI-275 as a backup AI (like @StevenL757) . I don't know if it can work as a backup to the TXi or if it have to be setup that way to begin with. I think it comes as an EIS variant OR nav OR AI not with a toggle. If so, there would have to be 2 of them, one for AI and the other as EIS. Currently the G3X is backordered and have a long wait time or so I have heard...

Cost aside, I’m interested in pros/cons including weight, failure mode and such. I like the idea of a very clean panel which the 500TXi with engine monitoring would provide and one less screen in the panel. What are some other perspectives?

Hi folks, My Ovation is missing its hub capa ans I was told that they help keep the whees clean. Does anyone know the part number for the hub caps on the mains for an M20R? I’ve searches on airxraft sprice and it seems like there are many options more based on the wheel than plane. Are there several that will fit the wheel size? As long as the wheels will retract properly maybe it doesn’t matter whoch brand? Thanks!

Do you have airport and more info on AGL, the only one I could find was in the Carolinas. Thanks.

Thanks Mlm20c! I will check them out.

Hey there, who knows where the nearest MSC to Dayton, OH is? I’m looking for a place for pre-purchase inspection that knows Mooneys. Thanks, Stig

Thank you for your insights, thoughts and musings. I will talk to my mechanic about the options to get it done. Cheers, Stig

How about adding a composite prop on the front to offset the reduced weight in the back? MT shave ~15-20lbs off and McCauley boast 35 lbs savings.

The market has continued to increase and rather markedly. I have been shopping for M20Es, M20Js and most recently an Ovation and in the close to 2 years I have seen Es go from 30s and 40s to 50s to 70s; J’s went from low 70s to 90s to 130s-150s and Ovations from 150 to 170s to over $200k. Of course TT, engine time, extras and overall condition affect price. There are still some deals to be had out there but there seem to be fewer and it seems like a sellers market. Best of luck. Stig

Hey Carusoam, what do you lose in UL with the 310 STC and what is the increase in fuel burn overall. The 280 hp Ovation is amazingly economical compare with other similar planes and even other IO550s (ask me how I know ;-). Thanks

Has anyone replaced their sealed lead-acid batteries (concorde ?) with lithium batteries like these: https://earthxbatteries.com/product-category/certified-aircraft If so, how did you get the approval. Or are there products with an STC? Thanks, Stig

I believe you on that. Figure about the same for me to get really comfortable but it seems like a pretty well behaved airplane so far. But that may just be I have not taken myself to my limits yet ;-).

...but dang! I am loving every minute of it. What a plane.

Btw, I am only some 30 hours flying the M20R so still learning much about this plane.

My POH says they are accurate on the ground and not to use in flight. I use it as a check only: needles are moving, something is sloshing around in there...

Mine are the same. Up to 30 they seem to be good, then after that not so much. And yes, I use them as a means to know what I have starting out. A couple of flights lately, I have needed greater accuracy so I don't land too heavy i.e., fill as much as possible )for next flight) but with 4 people and bags, don't want to land over 3200#. A good fuel stick would give me accuracy to know I had let's say 55 gallons... I think mine are around 3 gallons low in flight. The attitude of the plane is a little more forward than when on the ground and I suspect that makes up for the difference. The good thing is they show less... if you have lost track of fuel and need them as a safety at least you won't over estimate. I will make my own from a paint stick or re-score a universal fuel-hawk. I'll do the drain one tank into the other or some method like that and probably 5 gal at a time. Another question, how do you know you are full? 44.5 gal? I can continue to put more fuel in the tanks if a rock the wings and wait, rock and wait, rinse repeat. From a ferry pilot on here, it has been said that our 89 gal tanks will actually hold 104 gals if we are patient. The tanks are the same size as the 104 gal tanks, but vent at the collar. If that is true (I have not tried to fill 104 gals), then how do you know that you have 44.5 gals in the tanks if you didn't start with an entirely empty tank?

I would have loved the wing sight gauges to go to 44.5. Anyway, time to drain one tank and fill and mark.... Thanks, Stig

For the Ovation owners out there (maybe other long body or larger tanks), my wing sight gauges seem to only go to 30 gal marked and maybe 35 gal guesstimated. Meaning from 30-35 is a guess based on relative needle movement. After that, I only know that I have over 35 not, that it's 38 or 44.5. Am I missing something? Anyone out there with an Ovation marked stick and that would be bothered to get the measurements? I'm about to make a fuel stick and I can see the dry bottom when the wing sight gauges read somewhere between 10-20 gallons maybe more. Haven't made notes yet but that is coming. Recently I looked in the tank, saw the bottom was "dry" asked the line man to add 20 gallons and it was full at 16. Thanks!

Interested in that. Do they have the wig-wag option? PM?