Hilbilly

Thanks for all the replies. Regarding the premature OH on Continentals.... For background I have owned a NA 210, Turbo 210 and P210, a Cessna 414 and now a 421B. All Continentals, all operated LOP with good engine monitoring. (I have been operating LOP for 15 years) and have done the APS course many moons ago..... Bottom line: The Continentals seem to always need cylinder work. My lowly C Model's Lycoming on the other hand just keeps chugging along.... I think the IO550 might be an exception but even on them I have seen Ovations advertised with a top OH midlife. Hilgard

In my search for an Ovation I have started expanding my search to include the "fire breathing dragons" as well. I would think it is fair to say that at OH the turbo will generally cost double to replace compared to NA. However many references are made to the "Super Expensive Lycoming" engine on the Bravo, but the cost for a factory reman on the Bravo is less than the TSIO-550 according to Airpower's website. Ovation Factory reman IO 550 $48000 Likely to make TBO. Bravo Factory reman TIO540 $68000 Likely to make TBO but might need Turbo and exhaust work midlife Acclaim Factory reman TIO550 ~$86000. Likely will not make TBO without TopOH midway and Turbo OH cost will be the same as the lycoming. Am I missing something in these numbers? For if this is correct the Bravo really has a seeming undeserved reputation for being more expensive.

Thanks for all the replies. This underscores the advantage of non-G1000 Mooneys that can be upgraded to the same capacity as a NXi without the ha$$le. I would really like Flightstream and a Flightpathmarker, only available with NXi.

According to this article the cost is around $29K US. However I have heard some say its much more, anybody have any actual quotes? I am considering an Acclaim with a G1000 and GFC700 Thanks Hilgard

According to this thread looks like it's about 80lbs.... Answered my own question, Just had to polish my search skills

2 questions for the group as I continue searching for an Ovation. Generally what is the weight penalty for factory air? Secondly on the Non-FIKI Ovations is there still a spray-bar for the Window? (I have read here that non-FIKI's don't have the back up alternator and pump/s, however I have seen conflicting info about the windshield spray-bar.) Thanks

Interesting, hope it works out for the potential new owner.

I agree with the above, I spoke with the broker as well on Monday, he did explain some of the background and the low use and I do not think he was trying to hide anything. I still think this might end up a good buy, as long as you fully know what you are getting into and budget or get a reduction for an engine OH. However I am going to pass on this one. As Steve said there is better Ovations out there. A very funny part of the psychology of airplane purchase (and I include myself in this) is how we end up looking for "a deal" and can haggle over the price. Only to end up spending $50k in the first year or two after purchase to "get it right". Meanwhile we discounted the "prime example" that was $50k more expensive than the "deal/bargain". Hilgard

From the looks of it, not sure the seller has heard of this "internet thing"

V1VRV2 When did you buy yours?

There is also this non FIKI model, Don Maxwell maintained. Fresh field Overhaul, early accident history but was repaired by the factory.

Thanks Steve, that is very helpful. 17 hours in 8 years is a HUGE problem, I agree that engine is run-out...

I will need to overhaul the prop to get it into Canada (10 year mandatory overhaul for us). Not sure what TopProp is will read up on it, is that a different prop? My limited understanding is that the 310hp STC needs a STC, governor adjustment to 2700 rpm and ?compatible prop, this one has the McCauley 2A34C241.

Whilst looking at the Ovation in Canada, this FIKI model was listed yesterday. My thoughts: Looking at the logs, it has not flown in ?3 years, last annual seems 2017 low total time which is a bit of a negative. So it will need a pre-purchase/annual done with a microscope by an expert shop. Thanks for the AGL recommendation I will phone them tomorrow. The current owner is a A&P and did the maintenance... Non WAAS GPS, not the biggest deal as I would likely get a 750txi installed. ?$15K after 530 rebate. ADSB required. ?$7k if the 430 is replaced with a GNX 375. 280hp still, the STC is ?$5K but is it still available. Can the current prop suffice for the upgrade or will it need to be changed (McCauley 2A34C241) Its a hangar queen but with a decent annual/prebuy at AGL this could be a great plane in my opinion. Thoughts?

Thanks guys, that was lightning fast!!! This site is a tremendous resource.

My hunt for an Ovation continues... I am looking for a reputable shop/s on the East coast to do a annual as part of a pre-buy. The plane I am looking at is in North Carolina. Appreciate any references.

Thanks all, spoke to my avionics guy and all sorted out got a quote. Funny thing is it's Garmin that started the misinformation.

I have done intermittent fasting regularly in the past. Actually flew an approach in IMC down to minimums whilst being 48 -60 hours into a 3 days fast, no problem. Putting on my physician hat and speaking as an aviation medical examiner: Low blood sugar is not an issue if you are adapted to a low carb diets and/or intermittent fasting, the issue comes in if you have high blood sugar and start fasting. Blood sugar will decrease before insulin decreases and there is a risk of becoming hypoglycaemic in flight. (low blood sugar which can cause you to pass-out). So yes you can fly whilst fasting but NOT if you are NEW to intermittent fasting or Low carb/ketogenic diets.

I wondered about that, thanks. This is a good avionics shop, he actually spoke to garmin and thats what the big G told him. I will follow up with the shop

After waiting 2 years for this I asked the avionics shop about installing a GFC 500 in my 76 M20C, they came back and stated its not on the approved list. (see attached document). According to this list S/N 2742 and 2807 and later are on the STC list. My C model serial no is 20-1196. I thought all C models would be approved especially the newer ones. Does anybody know what year model C's did end up on the list? STC.pdf

I looked at it today... Will proceed to pre-buy pending some negotiations. If you want my thoughts on the inspection and test flight you are welcome to pm me. I do not want to share that on an open forum. Hilgard

Well it turns out the Ovation that I am looking at tomorrow was owned by a MSpacer: https://mooneyspace.com/profile/7770-borealone/ I have gone through the logbooks, it was maintained by a Mooney service centre for the last 8 years. They are the closest service centre near me 97nm, so I will likely just continue taking it there for maintenance, pending my inspection.

Thanks for all the replies! Steve The engine was installed in April 2013, Date of Manufacture/rebuilt according to the logs was 1/15/2013, serial no 1007691. So perhaps this one still has a 2000hr TBO. Hilgard

Steve If you don't mind could you run me through the procedure of verifying the TKS system's operation on the ground? Hilgard

Steve Thanks for the info. Live and fly out of Central Alberta. My milk run is from CEH3 to CYZU, a 120nm trip twice a week. I am looking at this Ovation: https://www.controller.com/listing/for-sale/196508717/1996-mooney-m20r-ovation-piston-single-aircraft Planning a test flight tomorrow, this one has been maintained by a Canadian Mooney service centre, seems to have flown a lot and looking at the logs the previous owner did not skimp on maintenance. Hilgard