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What prop options are there for vintage Mooney’s?

My dad and a few guys owned a wood wing Mooney back in about 1964/65 along with a ‘59 C150. I remember flying with his instructor to STP and having lunch in the restaurant located in the tower. (I was 9 or 10 years old) That building still exists, with a GREAT restaurant; tho the tower has been relocated a few hundred yards away. I’ll find my dads logbook and try to ID the Mooney #

It may be as simple as leaning it out (significantly) immediately after start-up and while operating on the ground….

Congrats Troy! Keep working and on to the next….complex?

Wow, indeed! I paused the video just prior to the first failure then slowly (almost frame-by-frame) moved the video forward as each gyration and failure occurred. Even though I knew the pilot ejected I felt myself tense until the frame(s) when the ejection occurred. @Hank your description tells us a lot….revisits the discussions of this accident weeks ago.

Just happened to me! At 4500’ and it was quite the loud “crack” sound; and noticed sudden change in pressure in cabin. in fact I thought the crack sound came from below / right (I was thinking exhaust or a gear door or something like that). I proceeded, monitoring temps and pressure(s)….engine continued smooth operation. When I landed I noticed the vent door bent all the way back. Got back to my home base and my A&P is a Mooney guy and just happened to have the correct cable on hand. (Thanks Nick!)

Please let those of us who lust after her know if she makes it to Europe or US…or wherever!

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2021/08/mooney-m20m-257-tls-bravo-n9156z-fatal.html

Precisely! I have not had a chance to review 1980Mooney ADSB info yet but I’ll bet much is revealed! There was an early comment within this string that stated pilot was not Instr rated but not hearing nor seeing that any longer. Do we have any confirmation?

“I completely agree Anthony. However, I remember reading somewhere that the up and down drafts in a tstorm can cause virtually instantaneous changes in the airspeed that the wing experiences. In other words, the aircraft may be traveling horizontally at Vne, but is struck by up or down drafts many times that speed, which means the wing is well over Vne. Especially so in the “sheer wall” between where the storm is sucking up warm moist air, and where it is dumping down cold air and rain.” pilots unfamiliar with flying in unpredictable, turbulent air mass instinctively engage autopilot when they sense trouble. The is precisely the opposite action one should take. We flew thunderstorm research in the late 80’s / early 90’s. We ALWAYS hand flew the aircraft and allowed the up and downdraft to take us. I suspect we all know it doesn’t take a significant storm + autopilot engaged at the wrong time, to break things. Very curious to learn how the horizontal stab and elevator failure occurred. ”there but for the grace of God”

Parts of horizontal stabilizer and elevators were found 2 blocks to the south of resting place

Or, a pilot who engages autopilot “after” he has lost control; and the autopilot over stresses tail section….?

“….how this M20R got into un-stabilized…” NTSB: parts of horizontal stab and elevator were found 2 blocks away (final heading of aircraft was North: horiz stab and elevator parts were found approx 2 blocks directly south)

The audio is on this link: even more revealing is this: http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2021/08/mooney-m20m-257-tls-bravo-n9156z-fatal.html

Initial NTSB interview shared that descent rate near end of the flight exceeded 5000’ per minute.

I original thought both wings appeared folded upward (now it appears maybe only right wing but there’s an appearance of a double exposure / artifact / two wings — middle frame); however the underside of the wing is red…all the way up it to tip? Or just inboard? also, if one imagines the lines of the belly and tail section, I can now “imagine” (from the pic) that the tail has, in fact, hit the ground. I say this because the slope upward of the lower aft belly (tail section) in the frame seems more aggressive than what the actual upward slope of the belly tail section of a Bravo. And if the tail has actually hit the ground in frame two, would that cause the snap?

@aviatoreb and @Bartman and @Hank, are you saying / thinking that the appearance of the wings folding upward (in the freeze framed pics) is inaccurate ? I also noted someone else suggested the aircraft may have hit power lines or trees before com into into the pic, causing the wing(s) to fold. Regardless, doesn’t it seem like a flat spin?

Now saw that someone did a freeze frame and definitely looks like wings folded…flat spin?

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@chriscalandro, I did not see a video. Did you?

I recently read there have been extremely few known Wing spar failure’s in Mooney aircraft. anyone here have actual stats in that? (mooney down in Mn with fatalities today…RIP friends) report of wing folded back

Would you mind sending additional pics of the full set. Is it Bluetooth compatible? battery power? thanks, dan

Ha! Never happened to me....nope never ever ;)

I was looking at POH for a 77 C and at 5000’ it was 2 kts however at 7500’ ‘twas 1kt when I first began flying my C I was hammering on it pretty hard (very pleased and excited by how fast it was). Quickly discovered a discrepancy in tach also. Lately I’ve found 2400 and even 2350 more peaceful. Have made several trips to Georgia and all through upper Midwest. Need to get back to KFFC in the next month or so.

I was just perusing the POH and noted that at 5000’ and 7500”, same/similar MP” with 2400 vs 2500 rpm delivered 1 knot difference. Definitely worth the half gallon +\- per hour savings