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Am I using the correct equipment suffix code?
Vance Harral replied to Jim Peace's topic in Avionics/Panel Discussion
For that equipment, the appropriate ICAO equipment codes would be "B, G, R, S, Y". In addition, your Surveillance code would be "B2, C, U2", and your PBN information would be "B2, C2, D2, O2, S1". Yes, this is stupid. No, ATC doesn't care. There isn't going to be any difference in safety or operational handling in the United States if you just use "G". -
General Thoughts and Guidance on Aircraft Partnerships
Vance Harral replied to ValkyrieRider's topic in General Mooney Talk
I'm a fan of partnerships and have been fortunate to be in a successful one for a couple of decades. In addition to reducing costs for the individual pilots, there is much to be said for the fact that partnerships tend to keep the airplane operating a healthy number of hours per year. Sole ownerships often seem to go through periods of inactivity over the years due to life circumstances, and that can wind up creating headaches and devaluing the airplane, due to lack of use. The financials are straightforward: agree on a value for the airplane and other assets (tow bar, cabin cover, tools, whatever) and have the incoming partner give you cash (if they need a loan to come up with the cash, that's their problem, not yours). Determine your fixed costs and split them by equity percentage - typically evenly, e.g. 50/50 for two partners. Then bill each pilot an hourly fee that covers direct (fuel/oil/etc) and indirect (engine overhaul) operating expenses. Since you've owned the airplane a while, you almost certainly already have a decent idea of how these costs break down. You'll need some bookkeeping to track the fixed and operating expenses and payments on a monthly/quarterly/whatever basis, which is a new burden - it's just one of the "costs" of having partners. Most people do this informally and it works out fine. We employ a professional bookkeeper in our partnership, but that's arguably overkill. Having said all that, this statement gives me pause: If you expect a potential partner to care for the airplane exactly the way you do, you probably shouldn't take on a partner. A partnership cannot be successful when one partner feels in their heart that it's really still "their" airplane, where they set the standard for how it's flown and maintained, and the new partner is expected to hew to the original owners' preferences. You have to think of it as if you'd sold your airplane outright, then you and your new partner bought a completely different airplane and started from scratch, together. That doesn't mean you can't look for a partner with similar principles and attitude, of course. Maybe that's all you mean. But having been asked this question by a couple of friends, my usual response is to ask how they'd feel about things that, objectively, are just preferences. How do you think you'll feel if the new partner suggests oil changes every 35 hours instead of every 25? What if they'd like the airplane put away with 3/4 tanks instead of full, or vice versa? What if they ask you to leave the prop horizontal (or vertical) when securing the airplane? If your attitude about these things is, "No big deal, let's try it that way and see how things go", you're well-suited for partnership. If your attitude is, "I've been doing it such-and-such way for the last X years and see no reason to change", you're not well-suited. Similarly, MikeOH's comment about the seats/radios/etc not being the way you left them is a good indicator as well. A partnership works for me, in part because I couldn't care less about those things. But I can understand how they might bother the heck out of other pilots. What I've seen anecdotally is that partnerships where one person has been a sole owner for many years, and later takes on a partner only when the financials start to get tight, tend to not work out. That's what you're proposing. So put yourself in the other person's shoes: would you want to buy into a partnership where, despite carrying half the equity and half the expenses, you are subservient to a "senior" partner who exerts outsized influence on operations and maintenance? I generally advise people to avoid thinking-of-taking-on-a-partner offers unless they're already flying the airplane under some non-equity arrangement that's going well, or - maybe - if they feel they already know the other pilot well despite not actually flying the airplane. Otherwise, better to form an airplane-less partnership with like-minded individuals first, and acquire the airplane second. That's effectively the "market" you're competing against, and you'll do best if you set your mindset accordingly. -
Because nobody has new units. We just went through this a few months ago. Not only was overhaul the only choice, but we couldn't even get anyone to do an overhaul exchange, because nobody had overhauled units in inventory. The only choice was to send ours in to be overhauled and returned to us. It's possible the situation has changed, but our experience only dates back to this spring. It's likely the inventory situation remains the same.
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M20e fuel strainer gasket
Vance Harral replied to drifter001's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
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M20e fuel strainer gasket
Vance Harral replied to drifter001's topic in Vintage Mooneys (pre-J models)
If it's an H&E fuel selector, the part number is 940057-001. You can get them from LASAR: https://lasar.com/seals-gaskets/fuel-bowl-gasket-940057-001 Consider ordering a fresh stat-o-seal as well, https://lasar.com/seals-gaskets/lock-o-seal-600-0101-10. Strongly suggest you verify the exact fuel selector in your airplane, then call LASAR and ask for a seal kit for that unit. Which models have what selectors gets a little complicated. It's not guaranteed you have an H&E selector, you may have a Dukes. -
Sometime circa 2010, Mooney produced searchable PDFs of not only the POH, but also the IPC and service manuals for all the C through G models. I presume they did so using a professional version of Acrobat, or other OCR software. In addition to being searchable, these files contain bookmarks for each section, so they're very user friendly. I know this story sounds too good be true, but not only did Mooney produce these PDFs, they e-mailed all existing owners with whom they had contact at the time, and offered to send them a USB drive containing them, for free, as a promotion/thank-you gift. I took them up on the offer, and I have one of these USB drives (it's got a Mooney logo on it), and I have a copy of its contents on my computer. I just presumed that the various documents in the "Downloads" section here on Mooneyspace contained these searchable PDFs, but I never looked, because I joined Mooneyspace long after I received the USB drive from Mooney. Anyone with a vintage model Mooney, who is suffering with non-searchable PDFs of these documents, should look harder. Given Mooney's hibernating status at this time, I'm not opposed to uploading my copies to the downloads section of Mooneyspace, but I'm not sure how helpful that would really be. There are already 51 different files in the "Pilot Operating Handbook" section there, and it seems likely some of them are from the searchable copies Mooney produced.
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Wear on the inside edges of tires is common on Mooneys, I think due to the geometry of the gear. Our birds always look to me like the gear leg isn't actually vertical, though I think it looks worse than it really is due to wing dihedral. As for uneven wear on the right vs. left, I see this a fair amount on piston singles, though it's usually the right main that's the problem rather than the left. The best hypothesis I've heard for this - which jives with my experience as a CFI - is not enough right rudder when lifting the nosewheel on takeoff. The collection of left-turning tendencies in a Lycoming/Continental-powered single causes the nose to swing to the left, and instead of fixing this with appropriate rudder, a lot of... uh... "less sophisticated" pilots will apply right aileron instead. This picks the left tire up off the ground while driving the right one into it. I suppose it's possible you've got the opposite problem of too much right rudder on liftoff, which you're correcting with left aileron. But I'm betting anyone who flies an Acclaim isn't prone to these kinds of errors. Might be a misalignment in the gear itself.
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AUTOPILOTS, Garmin, STEC, King, etc.
Vance Harral replied to DCarlton's topic in Mooney Safety & Accident Discussion
There's a correct, but huge caveat in your statement. Used correctly. Every aircraft owner who installs a "safety device" in their aircraft presumes they'll use it correctly, to great benefit, in an emergency. But both the accident rate, and my personal, anecdotal experience as an instructor, belie this assumption. Whether it's backup attitude on an iPad via a Stratus, or the LVL button on the GFC500 autopilot, I find over and over again that when I ask pilots to demonstrate how they'd use these things in an actual emergency, that many of them have either never practiced with it, or they tried it once, a couple of years ago to make sure it worked, haven't done anything with it since, and aren't particularly confident about how it works. In some cases, their lack of skill in using this backup safety equipment creates a situation worse than not having the backup equipment at all. But you don't have to take my anecdotal word for it. Again, the accident rate isn't changing, despite a widespread proliferation of technology. Seems like every week here on Mooneyspace someone else is installing a GFC500 and/or a full glass panel. My understanding is Garmin has sold many thousands of these units in the last 5 years. But why pick on Garmin? Brittain had a wing leveler 50+ years ago, and many of our Mooneys are/were equipped with them. So why isn't this stuff helping? If you've got a theory, I'm all ears. I know this seems slam-dunk obvious to you. But it's not to me, based on actual experience with actual pilots who have actual instrument ratings, fumbling around with their advanced equipment. What makes you think the gentleman in question wasn't trying to use an autopilot to save himself? We don't actually have any idea what caused the accident, but let's "go there" and assume it was spatial disorientation. Your position is that a modern autopilot could have saved the man, at an installation cost of $10K or $20K or whatever. Maybe it could have. But my position is that a tenth of that cost spent on instrument training would have been much more likely to save him, if the cause was indeed spatial disorientation. I'm sorry for being grumpy about it. But I just can't believe the number of people who will put their airplane in the shop for months and drop five figures on "enhanced safety", but can't be bothered to find a couple of hours on a weekend and spend $50 of avgas on an IPC. As my kids were taught about gear when learning to play sports, "It's the wizard, not the wand." -
Using AI for flight planning
Vance Harral replied to ilovecornfields's topic in Miscellaneous Aviation Talk
That's not correct. Your run-of-the mill "deep learning" neural net that people are now ubiquitously calling "AI", does indeed need a set of old training data to produce a trained model. But then new data is mapped against that trained model - that's the whole point of it. If the nature of the new data is essentially the same as the data used to train the model, you most certainly can make real time predictions. The nature of weather today isn't meaningfully different than it was a couple of years ago, ergo weather data from a couple of years ago can be used to produce a model of what the weather will be tomorrow. This is, in fact, how pretty much all modern weather prediction models work. The technology just wasn't ubiquitously known to the public as "AI" until recently. It would indeed be cool to train a machine learning model specifically against aviation go/no-go criteria, rather than just general weather parameters. But I'm not sure that would produce any kind of revolutionary change in flight planning or go/no-go decisions. -
AUTOPILOTS, Garmin, STEC, King, etc.
Vance Harral replied to DCarlton's topic in Mooney Safety & Accident Discussion
If you have dollars to spend on "safety", the best use of that money is not avionics. Not even an autopilot with envelope protection. The best use of safety dollars is training, training, training: dual instruction, simulator training, training for additional certificates and ratings... anything you can do to increase your basic muscle memory and decision making in unexpected situations. Spend your safety money on instruction and avgas, not on transistors. This is in no way a criticism of modern autopilots - there are lots of great reasons to have them. They make non-emergency flying more comfortable and more fun. But don't kid yourself that you're buying down your risk by installing them. Digital autopilots first reached the GA market about two decades ago, and a substantial portion of the fixed wing, non-commercial fleet is now equipped with them. But there has been no meaningful change in the accident rate, and I'm not aware of any insurers adjusting rates based on what autopilot you run. This makes sense when you look at where and why the accidents occur. The vast majority of accidents involve scenarios in which fancy autopilots don't offer any help, e.g. basic aircraft control during takeoff and landing, fuel mismanagement, etc. There is a pretty good summary at https://www.redbirdflight.com/landing/ga-safety-trends-what-should-we-worry-about I think the community is best served by thinking about modern autopilots the same way you think of having a killer sound system in your car. It's cool, and fun, and adds a lot to the enjoyment of trips both short and long. But it's not a safety tool. I know the manufacturers and the community tell you it's safer, but there's just no evidence to back this up. -
Thanks for the clarification. Yes, the C307PS is what you want. It is specifically called out by name in the G5 installation manual. The D307PS has an integrated A/D converter somewhat like the GAD13. But it converts the current produced by the AD590 to 1-wire digital protocol, rather than the CANBUS protocol needed by the G5. Other Davtron products can receive this 1-wire protocol, e.g. their M303 display. I don't know if any avionics manufacturer other than Davtron supports 1-wire. It's interesting that the D307PS is less expensive than the C307PS, given that by definition it must contain more "stuff" inside. Maybe the D307PS uses an IC which integrates the A/D converter, and is manufactured in greater bulk such that the component is cheaper despite being more sophisticated. Or it might just be a certification or "what the market will bear" thing. Might also be a loss leader to try to get you buy the M303 or other Davtron products.
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I'm not sure exactly what you're asking here. Both the Garmin GTP59 and the Davtron C307PS are analog temperature sensors, albeit different technologies. In fact, all temperature sensors are analog devices. The whole point of the GAD13 is to convert that analog information from the probe, to digital information transmitted over CANBUS to the G5. Since I'm feeling nerdy this morning... An OAT probe is just a metal shell wrapped around an integrated circuit. In the case of the Davtron C307PS and similar products, the IC is an Analog Devices AD590. When supplied with a voltage differential across its two pins, this device produces a current that is proportional to absolute (Kelvin) temperature. Data sheet is available at https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/AD590.pdf. The data sheet shows that the AD590 comes in two flavors, with two different accuracy specs. Garmin techs like to point out that the "cheap" flavor has a potential accuracy error of +/- 5C (with no external temperature compensation circuit). They imply their competitors use this cheap configuration, while Garmin uses more accurate hardware. These claims are probably true, but I argue they're not meaningful - more on that shortly. In the case of the GTP59, Garmin doesn't publish what IC is inside their probe, but based on the way the GAD13 connects to it, it's almost certainly a 3-wire resistive sensor. These sensors present a resistance which varies with temperature, across 2 of their leads. The 3rd lead is just a short to one of the two other leads. It exists so the controller can measure the resistance of the connecting wires themselves, and effectively subtract that resistance out of the calculation. I'm sure there are high quality/accuracy versions of these sensors. But if I were building an experimental, I might try a ten-dollar, hot tub probe, e.g. https://www.amazon.com/Waterproof-RTD-PT100-Temperature-Sensor/dp/B07DP3LYPX/. At that price, I could buy several units, use the one that tests with the best accuracy in an ice bath, and throw away the others. Garmin probably doesn't buy hot-tub quality sensors, but they almost certainly qualify incoming units from their suppliers, and reject those outside Garmin's own tolerance limits. Anyone else can do this too, though. Again, more on that shortly. So let's examine the worst case scenario on "cheaping out" with the Davtron probe: if Davtron purchases the cheapest version of the AD590, and you are unlucky enough that the particular unit you get has the worst possible error, and neither you nor Davtron performs any QC testing on the probe, you could get a C307PS that is off by +/- 5C. At piston airplane speeds and altitudes (including turbocharged airplanes up to the flight levels), a 5C inaccuracy results in a true airspeed error of 1-2 knots, which is not meaningful. Accuracy is more of a concern if you're talking about whether you'll get airframe icing. But since it's foolish to assume you're completely safe at +1C and completely in peril at 0C with any temperature probe installation, it's hard to argue this has much operational meaning. In practice, we start looking outside for airframe icing any time OAT dips within a few degrees of 0C. So even a 5C inaccuracy is relatively meaningless, other than bragging rights. In reality, though, I think it's extremely unlikely you'll get a Davtron probe that's off by 5C. I presume here that Davtron doesn't have a completely stupid manufacturing process. If my assumption is correct, they assemble the units, then perform some sort of "smoke test" to guard against assembly errors, as well as bad parts received from their IC supplier, just like Garmin. Such a test would catch, and allow Davtron to reject, the very small number of parts at the worst of the accuracy range. You'll have to decide for yourself what you think about Davtron QC. But if you're a cynic about that - and have some patience - you can be your own QC. Buy the cheap Davtron probe, hook it up on a bench, drop the probe in an ice bath, and return it for another if the temperature it reports is off by more than your personal tolerance. Lather/rinse/repeat until you get what you want, and proudly proclaim your CB status. In summary, temperature probes are just a wrapper around an IC supplied from an outside source. Those ICs have accuracy specs on paper, but in reality the accuracy of the probe you get depends on the QC process used by the manufacturer, which potentially rejects outlying units. Garmin's process might be better than Davtron, and it makes sense to pay their price if you're manufacturing a $40M bizjet. For the rest of us, a less expensive solution makes sense; and to Garmin's credit, they support this by supplying an AD590-compatible input to the GAD13. I think that's an entirely reasonable position for Garmin to take, and I happily supported them in buying their GAD13. But I also supported Davtron by using their "cheap" probe.
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Another +1 on the Davtron C307PS probe. Many, many G5 installations in the field are using this less expensive probe rather than the GTP59. Garmin will tell you the GTP59 is TSO'd, used in certified installations up to business jets, and achieves better accuracy than the C307PS. All that is probably true, but it's not meaningful in a GA piston single, and not worth the extra cost.
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Yep, I missed that one. ... and that one too. I don't know much about it either, but as with "minor modifications" and "standard parts", I expect it will boil down to the interpretation of individual mechanics. I deliberately prefixed my list of methods for approval with "at least" because I was sure I'd miss some. The point is simply that there are many different avenues of approval, so the question asked in the OP isn't really meaningful. It's like asking what regulation prohibits a person from getting a pilot certificate in a certain scenario. There aren't any such regulations. There only regulations that define a variety of methods for various people to obtain various pilot certificates, and you can get one via any of them: traditional experience/check ride, military equivalency, foreign certificate equivalent, etc.
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This is, IMO, the most difficult thing to understand about parts on certified airplanes. Everything installed on a certified airplane must have a "basis for approval". But there are many, many such approval mechanisms, including at least: part listed on original type certificate replacement part provided by a manufacturer with PMA aftermarket modification with STC aftermarket component which meets a TSO aftermarket component meets NORSEE standards replacement or add-on is an "industry standard part", see https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/aircraft/safety/programs/sups/standard_parts.pdf replacement or add-on is judged in the opinion of an appropriately certified mechanic to be a "minor modification" aircraft is a "vintage" aircraft and part falls under new VARMA regulations Anyone who tells you that you can't install a non-original part on a certified aircraft without an STC is ill-informed. But that doesn't mean you can install anything you want regardless of STC. If there is no STC which permits installation of the component on your certified aircraft, then there must be some other basis for approval: TSO, NORSEE, signoff as "minor modification", etc. The "minor modification" sign-off is the one that generates the most argument. Appendix A of 43.13 explicitly lists items that count as major repairs/alterations, such that a mechanic cannot really claim those specific items are "minor modifications". Beyond that, though, the definition of what constitutes a minor modification is - best as I can tell - just up to the judgement of the individual mechanic. Some mechanics are a lot more liberal than others with this interpretation.
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I know it's a typo and I should just let it go, but... that may be as effective as any other inspection method!
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This may be meaningful to the FAA in terms of certificate enforcement. But it means absolutely nothing in civil liability court, and my guess is it therefore means nothing to insurance companies either.
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Had A&Ps replace intake gaskets and borescope
Vance Harral replied to phxcobraz's topic in General Mooney Talk
My understanding (I am not an engine mechanic) is that the presence of a small amount of pooled oil on the cylinder walls above the piston during a borescope inspection, doesn't necessarily indicate anything about the rings. Lycomings lubricate their rocker arms and valve stems by spray action through the pushrods. So any time the engine shuts down, there's going to be a bunch of oil in that area. As the engine cools, most of this drains down the hole in the head assembly that connects to the infamous drainback tubes (that themselves are sometimes sources of oil leaks). However, if either the intake or exhaust valve of a cylinder happens to stop in the open position - which I think is always the case in at least one cylinder - some of that oil can wick along the valve and dribble into the cylinder instead of going down the drainback tube. That seems to me to be the most likely explanation for what you're seeing. If your rings are bad, and the crankcase is getting pressurized, it can blow oil up into the combustion chamber. But that oil is going to almost instantly get burned during the next combustion event. I don't think that scenario results in carmel-colored oil on the cylinder walls as seems to be shown in your photos. I'd expect to see carbonized residue instead. Again, I'm not an engine mechanic, and defer to others more knowledgeable. But my initial take is that this is not something to worry about. -
I've never been asked for proof of insurance on any of my 5 check rides, but that's just one data point. I suppose DPEs would like to be reimbursed for medical (or funeral) expenses if the applicant crashes during a check ride, though there would certainly be a court fight about the DPE's own responsibility if substantial assets are at stake. But that's not the full extent of the concern. If a check ride results in damage to persons or property not directly involved in the check ride, and someone asserts the DPE has liability, the aircraft owner's insurance isn't going to cover the DPE. The DPE needs their own insurance for that. There's also no clause I'm aware of in the insurance policy for my airplane which waives the right of the aircraft owner's insurer to subrogate against a DPE. Again, the DPE would need their own insurance to cover that situation, though perhaps this is so rare that it's just "customary" for an insurer not to subrogate in this case. I just assumed all DPEs carry some amount of personal insurance for these sorts of concerns, and therefore don't care (much) about whether the owner of the aircraft is insured. But I've never asked an examiner about it. Happy to hear info from someone more informed.
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Avemco will update your status, adjust your rates, and send you a pro-rated refund when you get your instrument rating. Or, at least they were willing to do that a couple of years ago when we added a partner to our partnership without an instrument rating, who finished up that rating shortly after joining the partnership. Assuming that's still true (call them and confirm), you can take the $3600 rate in the short term. You're not locking yourself into the full $3600 for the entire year, you would presumably get a rebate from them on completion of your IR.
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I speak from direct experience when I say the cigarette lighter plug may have significant IR drop. There are two reasons for this. The lesser is that some of the "cheap" USB chargers that display voltage actually draw non-trivial current. The greater reason is that the wiring at the cigarette lighter, and the mechanism that connects it to the back of the port, was never designed for continuous use; and on older airplanes it has often been neglected and is in poor shape, and therefore resistive. I have personally observed the measured voltage at that port be about 250mV lower than the voltage measured at the battery terminals. I have no doubt many airplanes are in good shape and do not exhibit this behavior. But it's worth noting. You correctly state that the voltage at the battery terminals is the one that matters with respect to charging and battery health. What I'm trying to convey - hopefully in a helpful manner - is that there is not a single value of "bus voltage" everywhere in the airplane. Even with a theoretically perfect measurement device (infinite impedence), the voltage one will find at various points in the system (battery, regulator output, cigarette lighter, input to radios and instruments) varies by at least a few millivolts, and in some cases a few hundred millivolts. This is understandably confusing to people whose V=IR educational punishment was light and/or long ago.
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If you're really trying to understand/fix bus voltage in the range of tenths of a volt, then one critical factor is how (where) you measure the bus voltage. Ideally you'd connect the measurement device to the sense terminal of the voltage regulator to start, then sample a few other points: circuit breaker busses, power input of instruments, etc. It's common to have a few tenths or hundreds of millivolts IR drop between the regulator and other locations. Note that cigarette lighter plug-ins and other cheap, portable voltage measurement devices are especially susceptible to IR drop. You don't want to crank up your regulator based on measuring a voltage that's electrically "far" from the output of the regulator itself.
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Those stops on our 1976 M20F are a little bent, too. Bothered me the first time I saw it, but I've seen a few other samples since, and it seems this bent look is normal.
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There are plenty of M20Js in the Denver area. But if you get no better offers and don't mind traveling a bit north, I can offer you a ride in a 1976 M20F out of KLMO. I'm a CFI, and you can sit left seat if you like. 1976 was the last year for the F model. The instrument panel and interior are the same as a 1977 M20J (including the infamous, superior throttle quadrant ). It's the same body length, and feels/flies essentially the same. It's just about 10 knots slower in cruise, as it lacks the sloped windshield, improved cowl, and various fairings of the J model. You'll enjoy those changes if you're flying a J, but curse them if you're working on one. PM me if interested, but no hard feelings if you get a better and/or closer offer.
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Me too. This is an interesting point that I had not considered, thanks.