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After our rather intense leg and diversion to Mazatlan, we enjoyed a boring (yay!) long leg to beautiful Oaxaca in the south of Mexico. Next stop Guatemala. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Couldn't get the original AOPA fuel cards so drafted these. Added the towing warning as suggested by @ilovecornfields. Fuel cards.pdf

Coming from someone with no name , and 11 posts , I will take your info for what its worth , If you took the time to read ANY of my former posts , I have maintained that this company can not continue Making 50 planes a year , or even a hundred , and stay in business , the numbers don't work , The only way to stay in business , is to contract out manufacturing...But since you have stated the obvious , I dub you "Captain Obvious" it fits you..

Incidentally, Raghav has volunteered to fly Tom Hunnicutt and his wife Jackie to the Mooney Summit VIII in his Eclipse. I also received a PM from another one of our kind brothers that offered to cover his expenses, but havent gotten permission to post his name so I wont. He can step up if he wants to. Raghav, you make me proud to have asked you to be a part of Mooney Pros, Inc three years ago! Three years ago, when I met you to do your transition training, you had 60 hrs, now you have 3600. I dont know anyone more dedicated to flying than you! D..., your kindness and generosity throughout the whole ordeal with Mark B and now are examples for us all to follow.

The turbo just gets you there quicker and goes faster once you're there. But truthfully you are correct. There is no absolute requirement for the turbo in the Rockies. I crossed them a couple of times in my M20C just fine. But with a turbo... take a look at KBJC to KSBS on a sectional. I was able to depart runway 30R out of KBJC and flew runway heading all the way to KSBS. No turns. That takes a turbo or a turbine. I'll just throw out the invitation. If anyone wants to experience flight in the rare air of the mid-flight levels in a Mooney, come to Denver. We'll go for a ride up as high as FL280 or maybe FL300. You can see TAS above 200 knots and IAS below 120 knots at the same time. The invitation is open to any Mooney pilot.

Sell both and put and IFD-550 and get a backup AI. Wiring changes would be minimal from the garmin 430 to the Avidyne.

Here is another thought. Sell both the 430W and the 530W while they both still have some value and upgrade to either a new GTN or a new IFD to get away from the old technology and modernize your airplane.

Making payments on both...one is just routed thru the IRS.

It's the internet. Why should not knowing anything prevent you from posting opinions on the topic?!

That I would definitely buy, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with having to go missed. Talking about the experience on MS is much better than us trying to figure out why you turned into a smoking hole after getting disoriented during a rushed approach in imc! Also, going missed is real good for you. You’ll be more likely to do it in the future if you need to instead of pushing on in a bad situation.

They can only make them (Roxors) cheap because they are making 10s of thousands at a time. Ain't gonna be cheap to do airplanes even at the production rate of Cirrus. Less units- cost per unit goes up exponentially. Secondly they use robots for mass production. Can't be done on even 500 units per year. Sorry but it can't be done cheaply (build airplanes that is) The $200K new airplane is a thing of the distant past just like the dinosaur. If rehabbing old Js was a good business someone would be doing it right now. You've still got a 25-30 year old airframe you're trying to pawn off at new prices. It just doesn't pencil out. Used to be able to rehab an airplane and make a profit, but no more. Think about it. Your best bet is to find an airframe that someone else has sunk twice what its worth into and buy it for half price. He did the rehab, you reap the loss on equity because he over built for the neighborhood. Just like buying houses. The same would factor into rehabbing old Js. The profit just isn't there AND you have a very limited supply of clean undamaged airframes out there (a diminishing quantity to boot as we kill a lot of airframes very year). No one would buy, for top dollar, (no matter who did the rehab) a rehab, on a damaged but repaired airframe. Now if the factory would sell the intellectual property for some hard to get items, then someone like Univair might be able to produce what we need just like they do for various other "orphaned" airplanes. That might be the saving grace for our vintage fleet. As a final note- None of us know what is happening at the factory. No FINAL announcements have been made. No Chap 11 filings have been made. So in essence, all this being said here is just uninformed blather. It may not look good but NO ONE knows positively what will happen.

Well darn, there goes making a J for less than 200K

I think there’s plenty of business in that space to employ a Crew making spare parts. There are something like 8000 of these airplanes out there and eventually they all need something. 4000$ ailerons and elevators are pretty profitable. Mooney has seriously raised their parts prices in the past 5 years or so.

I don't believe the Chinese (Veronica) bought Mooney as an investment and also doesn't care about the money spent so far. It's a rounding error in her portfolio. Unfortunately that would mean she doesn't care about it being closed. And probably isn't super motivated to sell or find a buyer. We'll have to wait and see what happens. I'm thankful for the run we've had though.

I think Piper should buy it. At this point, Mooney’s product line is two, fairly high performance, models. They slot right in between the piston piper line and the piper turbo-props. As much as I’d love a TBM, the Piper family of turboprops are in a more realistic neighborhood in fantasy land. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

exceedingly unlikely. look at the post strike sattelite pics here, and look at the circles added to the photo: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Sattelite-photos-Ain-al-Asad-base-Iran-attack-14959198.php In the Ground Attack world the aim point is called a "DMPI" ("dimpey", Desired Mean Point of Impact). The most obvious one here is right in the center of mass of the center of the 5 soft shelters at the lower left. Right in the center of the center building. They hit exactly what they were aiming for. But that's important to the narrative for many reasons. 1. It shows they chose very, very carefully to make sure they didn't hurt anyone. 2. the frag is very small--a B-1 WSO (bombardier) friend says that looks like a max 100 lb warhead. Peanuts...but very interesting. 3. they sent 12 missiles. 5 broke up in flight. In any case, not enough to overwhelm US Patriot batteries if they'd been there. All very deliberate, carefully chosen so that nobody got hurt but face was saved. I've been asked about this almost constantly since last Friday morning and I will summarize my assessment this way: The droning of Suleimani was a message to the Iranian leadership. The missile attack response was also a message, and it said "message received and understood".

Especially when much of the posting is off-topic!

Actually, Addiction Medicine is probably the most relevant discipline. ;-) That’s not my field, but as someone who does counsel people on smoking cessation with some regularity and has received training in it maybe I can add something to the discussion. First of all, I appreciate your desire to encourage the well being of your friends on Mooneyspace. Smoking and vaping are insults to the human body and will unquestionably hurt you. That is not up for debate so the real question is why do people do it and how do you encourage them to stop? That is a much more difficult question to answer and beyond the scope of online aviation forums. I did find an article which may provide some insight into addiction and potential strategies to help people who want to be helped. Maybe a good starting point for those interested in the subject: http://www.cpe.vt.edu/gttc/presentations/8eStagesofChange.pdf

Update as promised, silver C5 starting this thread has driven off into the sunset.

The working poor always have enough money for beer and cigarettes, whether they live somewhere clean and dry or not. Same for the non-working poor . . . Me, I prioritize a decent home and a functional vehicle. And a Mooney . . . . . Guilty as charged! Two college degrees, BSME and MSE. Never even had high school bio, much less anything in college. But grew up with a smoking father and grandfather, hated it enough that it's never been tempting to start. Guess I need to watch The Aeronauts at some point, if I'm going to keep contributing to this thread.

In order for a bankruptcy filing, there needs to be debt. I would bet there is an immaterial amount or no debt here including minimal vendor payables. I think Mooney publicly stated they cleared the decks 10 years ago because the debt scared investors off. I believe that's how they were able to go into "hibernation" rather than BK last time. Staying out of BK really provides lots of options for everyone. Speaking from experience, I've done a few workouts in my life including one this past summer. When was the company last cash flow positive in any operating capacity; parts only, new aircraft, etc.? How many presidents ago was that? But, cliffy is right, there are only a handful of people that know the real financial picture of Mooney and how much was infused in Mooney. Assuredly, no non-executive employees or former employees know. I'll take a guess though.....lots and lots was infused through equity contribs. I feel bad for new aircraft owners. It seems as though they had direct counter party risk to Mooney for warranty claims. That would suck hard. Saw it with first gen Eclipse owners and depositors. William

They probably could scare up a bunch of mothballed Spitfires ;-)

In about 2 months, Mooney Pros, Inc. will be offering transition and recurrent training in a Mooney Acclaim G1000 with GFC700 autopilot. This training will be in beautiful Glendale AZ and provide an excellent opportunity for all of those who have asked where to get formalized transition and recurring instruction in a Mooney. Our Mooney specific instructors are well known and qualified to provide the best instruction possible. Now we have a solution for those wanting to get time in type before purchase, hone their skill set, or learn about the G1XX suite prior to investing in a plane. After completing a checkout, this plane can also be leased for personal use. For everyone interested, please email me mike at mooneypros.com and we will get you scheduled.

Wow! Wishing you both continued great adventures!!! Please keep PIREPS coming our way .

Smoking is by and large confined to the poor. Rather counterintuitive, since the poor haven't the disposable income to purchase cigarettes, nor do they have the capital resources to deal with the cancer care. Rich people from overseas smoke, everyone smokes overseas. There's a law or something. When you smoke cigarettes in America folks often assume you're poor for this reason. And while the average participant on this site may be well educated, I doubt many are educated in Biology and Genetics, the most relevant disciplines. So I speak my piece. If I can convince someone to quit smoking I will have done them a great service. I know, the odds are pretty long that I'll convince anyone of anything, but that'll never stop me from trying.

Actually, I'd venture a guess that the CCPA is inspired by the EU GDPR, which created the precedent. I'd further guess that our German friends had much influence over the GDPR, being a very privacy conscious bunch. And yes, we're still trying to figure it out over here as well. Lots of abuse, too, with public information withheld from watchdog organizations being one form of it.

I sense one of us is waking up with a splitting head ache on Wednesday morning... Keep in mind... we are all on the same team... It ain’t over til it’s over... - Yogi B. Marauders friends aren't even tuning up yet... - some opera reference. Yes, it is difficult to work hard at a company and have its doors close... (need a list?) Maintaining respect for each other is important, no matter how you feel in the moment... As usual... MS is on the internet, but it isn’t the internet... it is a community of like minded people... Throwing barbs at somebody else in the community won’t help anyone get to their next level... peace. The world has much bigger problems today. Best regards, -a-

We present a 1 and 2 day format teaching right and back seat non-pilots what to do in case of emergency. Toured with AOPA to their regionals, will be offered at MooneyMAX Longview TX and West Coast Mooney Fly-In Sunriver Oregon in June. http://mooneygirls.com/right-seat-ready.html

Gee, wouldn't it be fun to be a test pilot? It's a PA30. Not sure if a PA24 would do the same thing and the test conditions aren't stated; maybe they were way over Vne or something. Stabilators must be mass balanced just like any control surface to give margin against flutter. There is a big balance weight on a tube out ahead of the stabilator inside the fuselage on a Cherokee. I assume that the Comanche had a similar balance. Maybe @M20Docknows about this. One thing I always liked about the rectangular stabilator on a Cherokee is that it was just the right height for a nice picnic table if you brought along a couple of folding chairs. Just rotate it level and throw a table cloth over it Skip

This is interesting. I ran down the specs on the PA24-250 at https://www.skytamer.com/Piper_PA-24-250.html. Since the dimensions of the M20J and the PA24-250 are almost identical except for the tail feathers, it is interesting to compare. The Mooney horizontal tail is 2 ft2 larger than the Comanche (Mooney 34.5 ft2, Comanche 32.5 ft2) The Mooney vertical stabilizer + rudder is slightly larger than the Comanche (Mooney 14.15 ft2, Comanche 13.4 ft2) So, the Mooney's empennage design (swept forward surfaces and trimmable stabilizer with trim assist bungees) didn't end up smaller (less drag) than the Comanche's empennage (stabilator and swept-back fin). Skip

Gee whiz.......Mr. chinoguym............ Whoops............forgot the 20 part of your handle...............sorry !

My 88 year old friend owns a '67 C that will do 160kts TAS every time we fly. He has all of the mods described before but uses a cowl that resembles the J. This guy has owned this AC since it was 2 years young and at the time he was Director of Maintenance for all 747s Worldwide at Pan American Airlines. As a result he did all of the mods himself and still "works" on his airplane every chance he gets. Here is a picture of N9738M in level flight with 3 on board at 11,500. I know that the air speed indicator was close as we had Airport radio hang a mercury bar on the pitot system and check how far out of "calibration" it was (it was off by a few 2 MPH). I have another friend who has a well equipped J and this C walks away from it every time regardless of load. Don't know exactly why. Cheers, Chessie.

My two mistresses... fortunately the wife approves of both.

Stabilators are preferred for transonic and supersonic flight to help prevent control reversal and other undesirable effects. Mooneys aren't quite that fast.

Lets , see , Pumping 150 million into a sinking ship , and providing employment for Americans for 7 years losing money is treating the employees like "Dumb Americans" is an assanine statement , The employees , and all of us owners , owe them a huge debt of gratitude , for supporting the fleet these past 7 years...

I feel badly for all the Mooney employees that have poured their hearts and souls into Mooney Aircraft (the actual name is not relevant). They deserve all the best for their efforts.

There is s massive thread on this already here. -Robert

This is great!! Congratulations!!

Congratulations! Wishing great success for this!!

Speaking of Comanche tails, I was reminded of this flutter video. As I recall, there were a few flutter related accidents that occurred on boot equipped Comanches.

It’s the norm for many industries not to allow any kind of plug in memory devices. We can use them but they need to have the corporate encryption loaded on them. Other companies, like the bank my wife works for won’t allow them at all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

KCMX DNA, your snowfall is weak but your airplane is hot.

You are right in the sense that the Bo are just big draggy boxes that are highly overpowered to their airframe, this make load of torque on the rudder but give a lot of pitch authorithy (also in roll as the tail is what makes an aircraft turn once ailerons are neutral), the Monney are far more slick on their travel axis aerodynamic, so don't like much to roll/turn as you would wish but they just go straight No hours flying the Bo, but look at the Mentor variant it has 500hp and barely delivers 200kts cruise, it needs a load of rudder to stay in the axe but it is a delight for a quick 360 rolls/loops, a Mooney on same power would make 470kts(550mph) straight and will never roll/loop

I name all of my machines. The Mooney is, of course, The Mistress. The 911 is the Red Light Lady. Wifey hates both of them.

You have the best M20F ever.

Thank-you, Carusoam for your nice welcome word. Peter

Intuitively, I would agree, but I am familiar with a couple that are quite noisy. The beacon in my plane is one of them and I have run into issues at work too with same brand. It is particularly bad when colder. They happen to switch the power supply on and off, vs the output, so it is not the LED, rather the internal voltage regulator.

this the second or third thread I've seen on relieving yourself in flight and i just dont get it.....

The ground. Could have it announce 100 feet, 50 feet, 10 feet just like a big airplane.

No question. Contrary to Phil's recommendation, I got custom ear molds made at OSH last year. Now they're even quieter and more comfortable. But they are quieter than the Bose right out of the box.