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  1. Dropped my gear in down wind. Base. Final. Do a short final landing check and tug on the J bar. It wasn't locked in! Looked at the dash and my green light wasnt on either. Don't get complacent thinking you went thru the motions. Give it a tug every time. Glad I double checked it! Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
    11 points
  2. I think this thread 107% proves that we really need to keep politics and even non-aviation discussions somewhere else where moderators have the time and energy to keep things under control.
    8 points
  3. By reading a poll, voting, and then talking about it, aren’t we hilariously/ironically all bringing politics into the Mooney discussion, when the majority of the respondents don’t want it? I feel that in America, opposing viewpoints and people of different backgrounds don’t talk enough and I feel it’s a significant contributor to the polarizing of people. I also feel that in person is best for these discussions since so much can be lost and mis-interpreted over text communications. Just like we prove in these forums every day, listening to differing views and discussing their reasons can be extremely valuable. I’ve quoted it before and a poet I’m not, but I feel it’s important to read Human Family which ends with “We are more alike, my friends, than we are unalike.” Let’s focus on what binds us. I’m happy to continue the discussion at Oshkosh, I’ll be drinking @gsxrpilot ‘s tequila but will also happily share my bourbon or just a discussion...
    7 points
  4. Are you Looking for some thoughts and ideas related to buying used machinery? A quirky decision tree is growing below... there are Complexities and choices... The engine is either good or not good... The seller has already lowered the price or he hasn’t... You either want the plane or you don’t... You either put an offer on the plane or you don’t... The seller accepts your offer or he doesn’t... Say you take the plane, Still not being sure of its status... you fly it for a year... It starts making metal, or it doesn’t... No metal? You win... fly it for another year... Metal? Still a winner... you get an OH, and fly it another year... In the end... You are flying a plane or you aren’t... Your pre-owned Mooney costs about a tenth of a new Mooney... and goes to the same exact airports... Assessing financial risk is pretty easy... Gambling on financial risk isn’t for everyone... Always be asking yourself what happens if I get this wrong..? What happens if I get this right? Buying used machinery has a ton of risk... You either account for the additional risk or you don’t... You either cut back your risk or you don’t... Are you hoping for somebody to say... jump in everything will be alright? Somebody will, because they have been there... or they won’t because they have seen the other side... Some planes are good for first time buyers, or they are not... Learn to recognize what would be good for you, and what is better for somebody else.... Some planes are better for a mechanic to own... Some buyers have figured out a nice C is better than a not so nice E... Looking at your budget, you realize you want to afford it or you don’t... When you look at the cost to OH the engine, you either have the money or you don’t... I bought a C that was sitting outdoors.... with a minimal PPI... it needed a new cylinder within 10hours... I flew it for 10 years... bought for around 30amu, sold for around 20amu... average cost 1amu each year... Would you say it is worth it? Or would you say it isn't? PP thoughts only, not a plane sales guy, or plane therapist... Best regards, -a-
    6 points
  5. In a recently closed poll, nearly 90% of respondents selected that "Talking about Mooney's is my getaway, the last thing I need is to listen to politics here." So I would like to formalize a petition by the vast majority of the membership, pledging not to engage in political discussion and asking that others provide the same courtesy. Political discussion is not prohibited by the constitution nor by the Mooneyspace forum. However, out of respect for every Mooney flying participant that does not want to hear about it on Mooneyspace, it is in good taste to leave such discussions out. So, would everyone who would prefer that Mooneyspace be left to discussion about Mooneys and aviation, sign this petition by putting your name or handle as a response. And to the 10 or so members who like some degree of political discussion, please consider showing some courtesy. Petition: We the participants of Mooneyspace and the broader Mooney community kindly ask that those who wish to engage in any political discussion or discourse do so somewhere other than Mooneyspace.
    5 points
  6. From Jenny this morning Hi Mike, I finally got a 8 hours sleep last night which I really needed. I've been running on empty the last couple weeks in the sleep dept. Been spending 10 hour days at the hospital. His condition is so dynamic. He can be stable in the morning and by after lunch have issues. Heading into week 5, I now just really miss him. He continues to be sedated and they've sewn his eyes shut to promote healing of his eyelids and skin below so they are flexible rather than tight. Apparently if they don't keep his eyes closed, the skin will heal and he won't be able to close his eyes! It helps me to remember your miraculous healing. The other story I've heard is about Lea Woodruff, the ABC news anchor who had part of his skull blasted off him from a bomb that hit his jeep while reporting in Iraq in the the 1990's. In a strange way, I got prepared for Mark's accident. A month before Mark's plane crash, Lea Woodruff, our media consultant who works with our leaders at Chegg (I work at an education technology company) gave a talk about Bob's traumatic brain trauma and how the doctors thought he wouldn't make it. I never knew until then that Bob was her husband. He miraculously made it and had to re-learn speaking, reading and writing bc he lost it all. He managed to get back to his news job within a year. She shared what she and her family went through. Like you and Alice, she and Bob were the shining light in each other's lives. They loved each other so much. I'd known Lea for a couple years (not well, just went thru media training with her) but had no idea until recently that Bob Woodruff was her husband. I look forward to receiving the co-pilot bear. :)
    5 points
  7. Sooooooooooooooooooo............ let's seeeeeee......... LOP anyone??!
    5 points
  8. ..also known as "talking about politics."
    5 points
  9. Great reminder - I've had this happen to me once too. Even well-ingrained habits like checking, double checking, triple checking the J bar being locked are prone to lapse at some point from complacency. I would add that the lit green in the J bar mooneys provides no assurance of the bar being locked in. You might also check wear on the hole of the block if it hasn't been replaced in the last couple decades. Keep tugging on your Johnsons everyone! (never gets old)
    5 points
  10. You guys are like children.
    4 points
  11. Mike: Was this what you had hoped for?
    4 points
  12. A Baron will fit in the same hangar as a Bravo. I've owned both types and had them in the same hangar. I've gone back and forth on the single-twin thing. Of the 16 airplanes I've owned, 5 were twins. I believe twins are safer, others believe otherwise. I also believe that a well maintained single is (reasonably) safe. I paid significantly less for my Barons (I've had two) than I paid for my Bravo and that comes with lower insurance premiums. Most of the time I flew my Baron at 10 GPH per side for about 185 KTAS. I flew the Bravo at 19.4 GPH for 195 KTAS. BUT . . . I only have to climb for 3-5 minutes to get to a typical Baron cruise altitude where I had to climb 15-20 minutes in the Bravo to get to an efficient cruising altitude. Single - twin - turbo - normally aspirated. They're all good and they each have different advantages and disadvantages.
    4 points
  13. 4 points
  14. That is not at all unusual for Maxwell.
    4 points
  15. The Bravo is definitely under appreciated and, therefore, the bargain out in the marketplace. Most buyers just don't get it--or care more about a couple gallons an hour than the benefits of the longer body and higher gross weight. I recently flew with a student who had upgraded his Encore to almost the same avionics as I have. After flying with me he commented that the Bravo had a much more "big airplane" feel. It does, and it should. After all, it has 50 more horsepower and a higher gross weight. It rides turbulence better and goes faster. After 26 years of ownership, I wouldn't trade mine for anything--just keep upgrading it with everything new that comes along. In the final analysis, though, there is a Mooney for everybody.
    4 points
  16. It works great, until someone quotes that person that I'm ignoring and I see their post. Of course then it serves as a reminder why I am ignoring them in the first place.
    3 points
  17. I'm not a mountain expert, but the first real family vacation by plane was to KCUT in a 150 HP warrior. We were a couple hundred lbs. below gross and it was no problem. If landing on 08, the runway falls away from you at the beginning, so you may float a bit more than normal. As others have said, stay light and watch the density altitude, you should have no problems. As a side, you might want to try no-flap takeoffs at the higher airports. That's what was taught in the mountain flying course I just took. Your takeoff roll will be longer, but you will be able to climb out of ground effect sooner without the extra drag. For reference, we did a no-flap takeoff out of Glenwood Springs (5916' MSL; RWY 3305' X 50') and it worked out very nicely for clearing the trees and rising terrain off the end of the runway.
    3 points
  18. The ignore user option is great.... I've had this running since the first post I read... Now I'd like an option to ignore an entire thread.
    3 points
  19. I am getting my multi rating next month and am pondering the whole twin thing. I have the Bravo and a Saratoga and as I approach retiring hopefully in the next five years the thought is consolidating down to one plane which might blend the attributes of the two that I have. I really love both of the planes that I have, one is like a flying Porsche, and the other a flying suburban. The Bravo though never ceases to amaze me. It is an incredible traveling machine. My wife and I went back-and-forth between Atlanta and Niagara Falls just this past week in a little over three hours each way in the high teens above the weather in cool smooth air. The dispatch reliability has been incredible, and my last two annuals have been under $5000. It would be tough for me to part with my Bravo. I do not know of any twins that could do all that, much less on about 140 gallons of avgas round-trip.
    3 points
  20. Buy an airplane with the engine at TBO. Fly the "free" hours and overhaul it when it needs to be done. I have an S35 Bonanza now that I bought in January. It has over 2,000 hours on a 1,700 TBO but runs well. It uses one quart of oil about every 10 hours and if you only looked at compressions and oil analysis it appears to be a newly broken in engine. I'll fly it until something tells me it is time to overhaul it. Likewise my friend has a P210 that I regularly fly. He also has over 2,000 hours on his 1,600 TBO engine and it too looks close to perfect in all parameters. Today the value is in buying an airplane with an engine at least 80% to TBO, or even over TBO. You'll get some "free" hours and when you overhaul the engine you get to make the choices. Jewell has a great reputation. You're looking at +/- $17,500 to overhaul an O-360 or IO-360 with R&R.
    3 points
  21. Yeah? Well my C is better than your Bravo! (I was just over on the other thread about politics and might've gotten a little worked up. I really do agree with your statement and always have.)
    3 points
  22. Dr Duncan I. Steel, BSc, MSc, DIC, PhD, FRAS. Discovered 12 minor planets. Former ESA Research Fellow at Lunds Observatoriet. Established and directed first Southern Hemisphere program to detect and track near-Earth asteroids. Technical expert to Australian Department of Defence. Noted climate skeptic. This... isn't a coherent response to what I said, and shows a deep lack of knowledge as to what I've posted on these forums. Rule number one of hurling insults: Know your target. Frankly, nobody has to prove anything to anyone here. It's the internet, by definition none of us should be believed without significant reading and cross-checking. Approaching it from any other angle is pretty well guaranteed to end in [virtual] tears. And with that, I say adieu to this thread...
    3 points
  23. A Forum for this sort of behaviour for Mooney owners has existed for years already. It has run many great contributors off, and made people who used to like each other on the internet develop a hate. It was developed for the sole purpose of taking the political hate out of the main mooney lists and still providing a forum for those that must feel they have to impose their ideology onto others. Feel free to sign up and take this garbage there. Be very thick skinned. http://lists.aviating.com/mailman/listinfo/mooney-talk
    3 points
  24. You don't know me, my politics nor anything about me other than I’m a Mooney owner. For the most part I avoid political discussions. If I’ve been politically contrary to you in the past, pleas attributed much of it to my dislike of the fact that you always try to inject politics into a discussion. You are an ideologically possessed person. You are constantly trying to ferret out who’s on your ideological team and who is not and then attempting to draw your newly labeled enemy into conflict based on your limited assessment. It drives almost every contribution you make. News flash for Tommy your online persona is unkind, abrasive, obnoxious argumentative and overconfident. You are the guy that goes out of your way to find conflict. I stand by my earlier statement that we’d manage without you. I do so because most your posts are political, antagonistic and have of little to do with Mooneys. I think you claiming a lack of contribution is due to lack of expertise on Mooneys is an obvious display of false humility. I say this because you’re expert enough on all subjects political to label your perceived opponents as stupid. Mooneys are somewhat complicated machines but far less complicated than almost any political subject. The fact that you feel confident judging the worth of people you’ve never met based on your online assessment of their political beliefs yet at the same time claim a lack of confidence in contributing to this forum’s main subject (Mooneys) says a great deal about you. You may be quite bright but you never showcase it. You appear to be too busy demonstrating that you’re a contrarian ideologue consumed with hunting down and attacking your enemies. I’m done wrestling with this particular pig. Please enjoy having the last word...
    3 points
  25. It’s sad that, because of the internet, we can’t even agree on what is a fact. We can find “facts” that support our viewpoint, rather than develop a viewpoint that is supported by actual facts. Thus ignorance is elevated to credibility. But the internet has also given us Mooneyspace, which is a huge upside. I owned a Mooney in the 1990s. In hindsight, I honestly don’t know how I did without the information that is available today. So I say let’s use the internet for good and agree on passing good, factual information about our airplanes. Anyone can find “facts” to support conspiracy theories and other crackpot shit, so why bother?
    3 points
  26. No discussing politics, religion, or criticism of peoples lifestyle choices. It rarely goes well in person, let alone online.
    3 points
  27. I saw politics DESTROY the best auto enthusiast forum I ever saw. Keep it out! Please!
    3 points
  28. NJM, Things to look for... 1) sensor adjustment... it turns on the light and quiets the warning at the same time... being slightly off adjustment, douses the light before it is totally locked... 2) down lock block... wears in an oval pattern... take a pic the next time you are flying... use selfie mode... This is the usual culprit that allows the feel of being locked, but not quite locked... 3) Become familiar with the thumbnail test... A DMax write up on how the gear and lock can be measured for proper fit... 4) Swapping out the block is pretty easy, and not very expensive... 5) If all of that is proven to be in good shape... it only means one thing... you ARE human... PP thoughts only, not a mechanic... Best regards, -a-
    3 points
  29. The savings in Capital from buying a C will pay for years of extra fuel . . . . And the additional time on each flight won't be very noticeable unless you compare me to Stinky Pants' eternal flights; I'd need one or two stops for fuel and walking around! And my O-360 should require less maintenance between OHs, as well as providing additional payback then, too. The plane will carry me and 470 additional pounds for 5 hours with IFR reserves, except I don't plan to ever sit in it that long again. Then again, I don't need a turbo, but still agree that the Encore is about the ultimate Mooney ever!
    3 points
  30. For a few days I have been trying to get a call back from Mooney technical support. Was just trying to make sure I have the correct part identified. I understand they want us to utilize approved service centers, but one would think... the term, "Mooney Technical Support" would have some meaning and there would at least be the courtesy of a return call! One call to Don Maxwell's and their support person helped track the part, Don specified the required hardware and gave me hints on the best method to change it out. The follow up was amazing! I see positives and negatives on this site regarding this outfit. From my experience, I would not even think about going elsewhere for parts and or support. Even thinking about using Don for my next annual. What a breath of fresh air for customer service! Nice Job! Rick
    2 points
  31. I couldn't get past the "any engine is a crap shoot" regardless of hours; "you need to be able to afford an OH at any time," mantra. So, I purchased a plane with a high-time engine which had been frequently flown every year for a decade, and priced as a run-out. Two years in and no engine problems. If I have to OH the engine tomorrow, I've enjoyed two years for 'free'
    2 points
  32. Hello from Switzerland :-) The Patrouille Suisse don't perform a show over 15min (fake news ) , it was only one over flight in formation. Cheers from the Mooney-Swiss-Mountain-Flyer, Jan
    2 points
  33. Having not had MooneySpace and making a horrible buying decision I STRONGLY agree with GXR and would PASS on the plane you described. 13 hours on a Major three years ago. What is this owner doing? (We know, but that doesn’t make it better). When the plane is not flying AT LEAST 75-100 hours a year it is TIME TO SELL. The tool is not being adequately maintained. Look to Paul’s advise on your purchase. Still no guarantee, but if you buy equipped (avionics/airframe) close to where you want it the engine is a KNOWN detail. If it is any consolation I have ZERO regrets as my enjoyment with ownership over 20+ years. They are Mooneypits, but you can’t take it with you... Enjoy do not DREAD the hunt.
    2 points
  34. I don't fly much in July and August since it is over 100º every day and sometimes over 115º. That's when I do my major maintenance. I just took my airplane in for paint Monday. The problems with newer engines is infant mortality. There is good data showing most engine failures occur in the first 200 hours after overhaul. Someone on BT recently posted: "In the 6 engine failures I've had in over 30,000 hours of flying, THE HIGHEST TIME ENGINE THAT FAILED HAD 660 HOURS SINCE OVERHAUL. "Infant failures" due to bad parts or impropper assembly are more of a worry than worn-out parts. Most of the non-failure engine "issues" have been after someone has recently been into the engine."
    2 points
  35. I can only speak to the B55 Baron, which seems as though it would suit you well if you do go to a twin. You'll hear stories of them burning 32 GPH in cruise, and they will if you don't manage the engine well. LOP, they burn no more than 24 GPH and can be run as little as 16 GPH but that's pretty lean. 20 GPH seems to be the "sweet spot" at least for me. In the 8,000-12,000 ft cruise range that should get you about 180 KTAS with a useful load of 1,700+ lb, nose baggage in addition to a baggage area in the cabin and six seats if you want them. Most fly it as a four seater. I've outlined on this site previously comparing cost of ownership of my 231 versus B55 which I owned back to back. The executive summary is it costs about 50% more to own and fly a twin. I have been consistent with that value among the many singles and twins I have owned. If you think flying a Bravo is like flying a Porsche, flying a B55 would be a Ferrari.
    2 points
  36. WOW what an amazing person Jenny is finding hope and inspiration like that is inspiring for me. Both of them are still in my daily thoughts and prayers. And of course - Go Co-Pilot Bear!!! Erik
    2 points
  37. A rebuke goes deeper into a man of understanding; than a hundred blows into a fool
    2 points
  38. And there is the rub. You know him to be a troll and yet you engage. Believe me I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND where you are coming from. Resist. Trolls only build themselves up with the feeding. It is a waste of time. VERY similar to trying to “change” someone’s core beliefs. No one cares about YOUR beliefs and politics. They care about THEIR beliefs and politics. Some are in one tribe. Some are in another. Some wish to avoid conflict at all costs and find BOTH sides offensive. There is no harmony to be found. Just like talking about religion and money (how much you have or don’t have) NOBODY wants to hear it. I will of course now be watching your technical contributions very closely as you are now suspected of being “one of those”
    2 points
  39. To me it's more about the approaches to landing (turbulence in the mountains, time of day), planning entry and the final descent (base to final turn and airspeed). Takeoffs are the most critical where ground speeds can get quite high (controllability), effects of loading, climb performance (temp/x-winds/downdrafts) and choosing the right runway (upslope/downslope etc). Usually I worry lot more about takeoffs than landing. The highest three airports I have done are Truckee, Lake Tahoe and Santa Fe. None of them were difficult in a lightly loaded Mooney. I never landed at MMH, but scouted it when I was driving past. Approaches from the East should be benign. I know commercial flights land both ways after talking to the guy on the field, but winds usually favor 27.
    2 points
  40. Definitely do the panel. A proper 6 pack layout is one of the best things you can do to improve the resale value of a vintage Mooney. These guys do AMAZING work. https://www.eapanels.com You can also do it yourself. Your EAA membership will get you a free copy of Solidworks CAD software. Layout your panel and take the CAD file to a metal shop for cutting. A trophy shop can engrave the labels. That's how I did mine.
    2 points
  41. Geez. And I thought the M20C vs. M20E conversation was contentious...
    2 points
  42. 200 lbs, 2 people, full fuel is certainly doable in a C model. Insurance will be about 2K when you start out after your PPL. It will come down to close to 1K once you have a few hundred hours and an instrument rating. You will love this plane as a platform for your instrument rating. Ignore the naysayers here. You will certainly need the IR to have much dispatch reliability to use the plane for work, but you will have tons of fun until you get to that point. You will love this plane. I will downright puke if I ever hear that you bought a Cherokee 6 instead Many of us remember exactly what it was like to be at your stage not too long ago and love cheering for someone who takes the same wonderful journey. You will need to learn how to get help from this site effectively (which certainly requires filtering some utter BS sometimes), but do not ever let anyone here make you feel stupid!!!
    2 points
  43. Just seeing that in print makes my wallet quiver. Want to own but the 4 turbos and controllers alone would eclipse what I have in my C.
    2 points
  44. My vote is absolutely NO! I have found that social civility in the real world has become rare. I believe that as a person spends time on line and because of the anonymity of the screen, the ability to say things they wouldn't face to face to another person has transcended into the real world. If we have a challenge talking to each other about things we agree on, the love of flying or more specifically Mooneys, how will conversations go about politics that are so divisive?
    2 points
  45. Actually you’re mostly speaking of epidemiology when referring to current “climate science”. I don’t know why you have an axe to grind and I don’t care. If I’m honest you seem to have a very high opinion of you own intellect and understanding of the world, yet I’m struggling to find an example of you showcasing it here. Perhaps you think you’re being provocative by suggesting that those who differ with you politically are too stupid to be of use to you on aviation related topics. We won’t have a political forum so you’ll not be able to know whose advice is worth taking. Let me be the first to invite you to eliminate any risk of interaction with those beneath you by suggesting that you piss right off to some other corner of the web! Your “kind nature” and “technical knowledge” will be greatly missed, but with any luck I think we can manage...I promise to try.
    2 points
  46. Damn! I've been in the air all morning. I own and fly a 252... soon to be a converted Encore... not as good as a Factory Encore, but you take what you can find. Factory Encores are rare and priced accordingly. I've got dibs on @Bryan's if he ever upgrades up to a kerosene burner. I briefly looked at Bravo's but a post on this very forum from @donkaye convinced me I couldn't afford one. I would rather own a plane that I can afford to fly as much as I want without ever looking at the cost, rather than own a plane that is at the ragged edge of my financial ability. I could buy a Bravo, but I'd have to budget the flying and the maintenance. The 252 can't hurt me financially. So if you can afford the care and feeding of a Bravo, by all means buy one! As @Bryan said, the 252 Encore is the very peak of speed and efficiency for a certificated four place piston single above 12,000. Below that, the J will beat it. I can carry a full load, 1000 lbs, further, faster in my 252 than a Bravo. Because I'll do it on less gas. And as everyone knows, the best speed mod available, is being able to skip a gas stop. If you're willing to spend the $$$ on gas, you can always go faster. And if I had a better checking account, I'd own a Bravo. But as it is, I'm pretty happy with my 252. And actually, if it wasn't for the O2 deprivation addition, I'd stay down low and do better with a J. Reference the flights of @201er.
    2 points
  47. I talked with Mark, the plane's broker, and had a great conversation. I have learned about this specific Eagle that I had been looking at. Yes, it has quite the sorted history, but it was repaired by a Mooney Service Center but of course, it will certainly need to be checked out again by 3rd party. Mark also mentioned Don Kaye and advised me to hire Don and my instructor together so what I don't pick up, my instructor may pick up on for later training. Mark also mentioned that good tail wheel training will be a big help in landing the Mooney. First things first. Is this really the plane I want and if it is not, then it's a matter of finding another one that may fit the bill. Of course, this will take some time, but this suggestion (which was also made by many here) is a really good one. I talked to my dear wife last night about this and pointed out the option of buying a simple C150 or C172 to finish my license and build some time/experience before getting a Mooney. She said that after looking at the cruise speed and such, I would become quickly bored and impatient with a more anemic plane. She knows me so well. Her vote is to get the plane I want and get the proper instruction. Yes, 30 years ago, I found a good one and she is awesome.
    2 points
  48. It’s a Mooney forum. We talk about Mooney’s. If you want to talk about off topic stuff send somebody a PM or join a differing forum. My intent is not to be a jerk here, agree with you all that other stuff makes problems. Whatever any of our political affiliations are we share a passion for a plane. If we stick to those similarities then we don’t have to deal with our differences.
    2 points
  49. You can also put in 120+ gal my wife and I can fly until our bladders bust, an extremely versatile airplane. Don I don't even need a backseat, I consider all Mooneys two place airplanes with the capacity to fly 3-4 people under the right conditions ie. not one of Marauder's lovelies
    2 points
  50. I think the mistake here is treating your aircraft purchase like a piece of business equipment. It takes time and acquired still to complete your mission. This will takes many years unless you make it a priority. My advice is to buy a nice plane, utilize the business write off, but then slowly work up to your mission.
    2 points
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