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As of yesterday there is a contract and deposit on 7741M. The new prospective owner will check it over next Thursday and probably fly her home. It's been a pleasure to be the steward of 41M for the last 7 years. Lots of great trips, memories and fun times. MS has been a wealth of knowledge and I've made lots of new Mooniac friends. She has taught me a lot over the last 7 years and I can honestly say made me a better pilot. Assuming the deal completes without a hitch I can only hope she treats the new owner with many more years of safe flying and memories. It's been a fun ride. I'll be flying the Twin Comanche for a while, but can't promise there won't be another backward tail in the hanger at some point later down the road. Once you've had a Mooney I'd say it's an addiction of sort. -Tom

Taking it at no charge may prove to be the costliest financial mistake you’ve ever made . . Lol It is possible that if you got it free and parted it out and sold the parts to people who got theirs’ free, but were foolish enough to try to get theirs’ flying or keep theirs’ flying, and all the stars were lined up right, you might possibly be able to break even.

Update 16th June 2022 Guys, a quick edit to add links to some new sheets for the M20U and the M20K as well as App links for all. Our good German friends at OpenAsApp have been knd enough to give me a professional subscription so I have access to more published Apps. I'm not sure how long it will last after the year but I'll publish these while it does. Update 14th March 2022 Guys, a message from someone on this forum chasing an open copy of my XL sheet has prompted me to issue new versions for M20R, M20R with 310HP STC and M20J which I completed about a year back. I was hoping to add more models but hit a snag with our German OpenAsApp friends changing their model so that I could now only publish 1 App on the free membership. I have been pushing for them to reconsider but without luck. Luckily I still have access to the 3 I'd already published so can cheat a bit and reuse them. I do hope to do more models and if I do I will add here. Links to the tools: M20J XL https://bit.ly/M20J_XLS App https://bit.ly/M20J_OasA M20K XL https://bit.ly/M20K_XLS_Pub App https://bit.ly/M20K_OasA M20R XL https://bit.ly/M20R_XLS App https://bit.ly/M20R_OasA M20R310 XL https://bit.ly/M20R310_XLS App https://bit.ly/M20R310_OasA M20U XL https://bit.ly/M20U_XLS App https://bit.ly/M20U_OasA I am using bitly links so I can keep track of what is happening and easily update in future. Depending on how your system is set up the link will take you to the location in your browser. You can then use the Open button to open in excel, or may have to use the Dropbox options (little arrow top left) to go back to Public folder and download from there. If you do use the App version I would suggest that you also download the associated XL sheet so you understand the source data for details and limitations. Quick Usage guide XL sheet Quick Video on how to use spreadsheet: https://bit.ly/XL_howto Base Information - Update the base information sheet to match numbers for your aircraft. Save a base copy. W&B - fill info into green cells. Weights and fuel load are carried forward to other sheets but can be changed on those sheets. Work sheet_takeoff - Fill in new weight if you need to, and remaining values in green cells Takeoff Table - use to generate a takeoff table. Read the instructions on the page. If you need to reformat copy the resulting table to word or similar and paste as a table then format. Work sheet_landing - similar to takeoff but you will probably want to change the weight to your expected landing weight. Landing Table - similar to Takeoff table Speed Range Endurance - limited depending on model. M20R is fairly comprehensive, even if of limited use. OpenAsApp Great software and very responsive team that have taken on a number of my suggestions. Currently a dead option as the latest pricing has limited free published Apps to 1, and the first tier of paid access is around $90 a month ! I am still pursuing. The first time you click the link it will ask you to install the OpenAsApp app. Then it should give you an option to open the sheet. Let me know your thoughts and any bugs. Works well for those quick “how much fuel can I load “ calcs as well as landing/take off distances. Fits on my iphone SE screen so should be better on larger ones. Once you have input your own values including BEW and arm use the menu accessed from the top right to save for future. You'll want to change the BEW - ours has AC and Oxy! All sheets take values from the loading on the W&B page unless you input an alternative fuel load, or weight. Apologies but you guys will still have to input load weights in metric. If you are running ROP input values into the LOP page - they are carried to the ROP page. As before happy for any suggestions, or bugs. For the app any changes I make are "pushed". THE LONG VERSION (boring bits) History I originally did this as a labour of love to allow easier use of POH charts. Owning the plane made the effort worthwhile. The spreadsheet was built "organically" so some of the calculations and methods are a bit quirky. Purpose The tools are specifically NOT to replace any of the clever Apps out there - just to allow easier use of the original POH data. How I use it: I use the app version for our plane (M20R VH OVH) to check weight and balance, particularly for "full fuel load" if I'm on a long trip. Also handy when you are filling a US gallons plane with liters here in Aus. I use the landing performance page mainly to double check my approach ref speed for the weight and I'll also double check the take off and landing performance and distances if I'm heading somewhere I don't know well, or I know is "tight". Development update (for the geeks) I now use tables for power settings rather than the generated formulas I used before. The Table is in a hidden sheet: "Z_Power Table ..." Newer versions of the XL sheet don't include detailed performance charts as they have limited use and are a pain to generate. In any case if you are like me you get a couple of settings from the book, rework them for real life and rarely go back to the book except if you need a particular setting for a different profile. The older model POHs have tables which are easier to look up if you are really keen. I did the exercise originally for the M20R just to see if it could be done and I very occasionally have a play around with power settings and range - mainly to remind myself why we bought a Mooney, and how much further it can fly past where I need the loo! Addition of generated tables for landing/takeoff - thanks to a suggestion from @midlifeflyer I have added tables for takeoff/landing as well as the original charts. Tables have been left as unprotected sheets or they won't work so take care not to corrupt, or take a copy before you do. The tables are set up as a pivot tables with some tricky data table generation as the source. If you want to reformat the look just highlight and copy & paste to a blank worksheet or other document once you have the info you want. I am now developing all the XL sheets off a common base to save time and reduce errors. It also makes Apps for new models and the updates to the Apps much easier as the same value always hits the same cell across the models. One of the side effects of this is that the newer sheets aren't as "pretty" as the original. In some cases there are unused cells etc. Note the errors made using the graphical method in some of the Mooney base examples - they had fat fingers as well! My graphics are for confirmation only. Values are calculated off formulas digitised from the original chart. Some error but very minimal. (for the real geeks) Workings are in hidden cells generally to the RHS of displayed info, or in hidden sheets. To unprotect sheets - Password YCAB (our home strip) M20J notes Have spot checked against POH 1221 - ISSUED 11-15-77 which has tables rather than charts for TO and LNG at max weight. Values align reasonably well but table values generally LESS conservative for 50 foot distances. You can use the Table sheets in the XL to generate a table equivalent to the one in the old POHs but including varying weights. Have changed the MP value in the power table for 8000/75%/2700 as the value in the published table appears to be an error. (highlighted) Disclaimer I have added POH details and variant as a check against source data These are tools for info only. No liability accepted. I enjoy this but it takes time. Support is very little and sporadic! Thanks to all the members who have provide feedback via the forums and PMs. Special thanks to @Deb and DaveD who did a heap of QA on th XL and App versions. Posted October 13, 2018 I've uploaded this in case anyone else wants to use them. Think they are good for all the M20Rs I generally use an EFB on the Ipad for planning but occasionally go back to the POH for a check, or on review flights when I hit an instructor who insists on "old school". I also find the electronic ones I use don't handle take off and landing distances well either and for longer flights I like to print out all the calcs to cover me legally. I've always found this form of chart a pain by hand. I've been meaning to do this for a while but recently becoming a part owner in a GX2 Ovation meant the effort was worthwhile. Let me know if you find any bugs - I'm sure there's still a couple. If you want to see the calcs behind the numbers unhide the columns to the RHS of the charts. In all cases I've plotted on the POH charts as a cross check. The password is the home of our plane "YCAB" - Caboolture, Australia. PatrickF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guys have had a couple,of people download the old version. Refer my next post below for updated and App. Next time I’ll do it right and modify this one.

You’re not getting in line. You’re lining up on the runway. Like lining up a rifle shot or lining up a kick. If you’re still hearing position and hold, those controllers are breaking the “rules”.

It changed over 8 years ago . . . Beginning on September 30, 2010, the words "Position and Hold" will no longer be used to instruct a pilot to enter the runway and await takeoff clearance. Under the new "Line Up and Wait" phraseology, the controller will: State the call-sign. State the departure runway. State "Line Up and Wait".

Line up (on the centerline) and wait (for take off clearance). When I first heard that a few years ago I asked the controller, “Is that like ‘hurry up and wait’ - he chuckled and said it sounded strange to him too when they first started using it.

I still have 6 days to have seller's remorse. My feet are already kind of chilly (cold feet coming). If he finds something he does not like...well, I'd honestly be okay with it. I think I've tried every possible reason to keep it. The struggle is real -Tom

What airport? Curious to see if this is a contract or FAA tower (either way, they shouldn't be using that phrase anymore). I haven't heard the "P&H" phrase since the change in 2010 and I fly mostly to controlled airports. Cheers, Brian

Ill be flying missions all day tomorrow for operation airdrop. We are bringing supplies from Gainesville (staging area) to Apalachicola (KAAF). Those folks need all the help they can get. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

She flew today, thanks all!

How in the world is an M20E/F cheaper to own than a C?

The video shows one of my biggest pet peeves of the modern age, taking video in portrait mode. We as humans view the world horizontal - or landscape - yet most people fail to turn their phone to shoot that way. I'm done ranting.

Probably referring to the Beechcraft b60 duke. I think the spec engine is a turbo 541.

Thanks for the follow up on the blanking issue with the 6.50 software Jim. my apologies to everyone for not getting on the Mooneyspace forum as often as I should, after I had the phone conversation with Jim I was immediately dispatched for business travel and just arrived home. as Jim has pointed out there is a blanking issue with the 6.50 software release, we quickly jumped on this issue and verified what is happening. Basically without getting into the deep weeds on it if you don't have a FIS B data input you will never notice this, in other words if you have a GDL 88 or a GTX 345 interfaced with your GTN you could see this issue. We will be posting a patch for this early next week for the dealers to install to correct this issue. I have spoken with our certification team who is working with the FAA on this as of this morning and I corrected some of the misquotes during the phone conversation between Jim and myself. This will not have any affect on the operation of the unit with the exception of the blanking, if you're not looking at the screen all of the other functions will continue to work and you will never see a problem other then this short blank screen when it is refreshing. but please if there are any questions on this issue, feel free to contact me and I'll be happy to answer any questions.

Cool thanks. Now can you make into an iOS app, ha. Russ

I use it when self announcing at tower fields. If someone is poking down the runway while landing or all those other slow planes are taking off. Just go ahead and claim the run way to get yourself situated to launch.

My C model was weeping when I got it from the right tank. i flew it for a year or so until it got worse and started dripping. I used the Maxwell method to find the leaks and stripped just those areas before patching them myself with my A&P's oversight. That has been a couple of years ago flying from a grass strip and still weep free. Maybe I was just lucky but I would not let a weep scare me off from an otherwise good plane.

How does that counter with the extra 1-2gph more on takeoff for the 20hp? Whats the fuel burn at LOP? My last two tanks were (11 hrs) were right at 9.1 and 9.2 gph, respectively. Now lets count mx on that fuel spider, price of angle valve cylinders, MOH cost...

Tom - let me know if the Sidewinder is available. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

Line up and wait is the proper phrase and the only one they should be using per FAA. They changed because pilots (especially foreign pilots) when told hold position would taxi onto the runway and hold. At least that's the story I was told.

The little slide handle by the E gear down goes to the lawnmower throttle cable. The lever on the left is the emergency gear disconnect. It is a spring action to close. Adjust and lube as necessary. .

the ovation burns fuel from 12 to 16 GPH. the bravos and rockets burn around 16 to 21GPH. Ovations have cheaper engines, and the hull values are identical when looked at on controller.

I would expect the ovation to be cheaper to run than the bravo. Lower fuel burn, cheaper engine, less complex (or on par) than the bravo. Capital cost is similar between the two. Acclaim fuel burn (LOP) is less than the bravo as well. Capital cost is of course higher. When I was looking at turbo Mooneys, 150 hrs per year was within spitting distance of bravo cost vs acclaim borrowing the difference in cost. Back of the envelope only- I may be way off.

Es can fly LOP. Cs, not so much . . . .

Sure, the ink isn't dry on the offer to sell your Mooney and you have already forgotten that the tail is backwards on all OTHER aircraft!

So much for being at least 35' above the departure end of the runway threshold on IFR takeoff! Wonder what went wrong and if it was in the pre-departure planning or on the take-off roll? Looked pretty close to near disaster. Those poor pilots must have been shaking once they saw the damage to their plane. I would have been.

Call an aircraft insurance broker and get a quote. That will give you an answer based on actuarial data.

And the F has a new home..

The thing about airplane costs, many of them are identical between a C model and a K model. Hanger, subscriptions, airframe maintenance, etc. All no difference. It costs just as much to put a new GTN 750 in a C model as a K model. Over just a few years, the purchase price of the aircraft is just a small portion of the total ownership cost. If your ultimate goal is to own a K model you will save money in the long run if you just by it now.

Very true... But the running costs/OpEx don't follow the same linear model. From my research there was actually a dip in the running costs from the 231 to the 252 in reduced maintenance, longer cylinder life, and a better chance the previous owner didn't thrash the engine. Then there was a pretty sizable jump going to Rocket, Bravo and beyond. Something like this...

I agree that the ad is someone short on details, with cruise speed listed as "estimated", and other pilot-centric details missing. But there is more info around the web: Shows it flying and that the gear is retractable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuq8rad3H-M Pilot giving info on the flight characteristics at 1:53: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yaKCkXa-rs

No don't do it! Get a 252 instead. All joking aside, the 252 is easier to manage the engine, turbo, etc. than the 231.

Because it's not your own personal, single place, 4-engine B-17!!! I'm shocked that it should fit into a normal-sized T hangar . . . . But I think the price includes too much builder's passion and not enough owner's reality--it's a single place toy that will amaze the breakfast crowd, but also fly to airshows, not something you can use for a weekend away or to visit distant friends and family.

Amsafe estimates installs will be 4-6 hours. The price $2580 includes both front seat belts with shoulder belts. The sensor has a self test mode and does not need the amsafe test tool for install. The wires are one length only limiting where the sensor can be installed to under the left or right seat. I would suggest installing with nutplates in the floor for easy removal in the future. I asked the rep to join mooneyspace and introduce himself and he said he would. He did say they have a Facebook page and can also answer questions there.

Both GIAS have to be the same. The latest Mooney s/w -34 is only available for WAAS. It is possible to go from -34 to -30 s/w the problem with doing it if needed to be done is the GMU is updated to s/w 2.05 during the -34 update and a GMU loader card has to be used to revert back to s/w version 2.01 for -30 to work. So the Gia 63 nonWAAS does have some value in a worst case scenario.

$275,000 / 20yrs = $13,750/yr. Seems like low payout for all the work he's put into it.

While I pray for our Florida Mooneyspacers, it was beautiful around Texas today. The Corsair had to wait for me to land but I got a shot of his departure. Captured the old bomber taxing by me. Pic of my plane. Lots of warbirds about. Wings over Houston next weekend. Russ

What’s he building next?!!! That’s what I want to know!

Always the journey not the destination...20 years building and selling it after 55 hours

Do it Seth! DO IT!

That has you written all over it Seth...you were drooling over it at OSH this year, might as well put it in your hangar and drool some more!

Congratulations on a job well done! From one Mooney wife to another, tell her "Well done" as well. However, I did find it funny to "cross off" an off-field landing from a list of things to do - some sort of comic relief was necessary. If anything, I know we did it once and he could do it again if necessary. Enjoy the wedding festivities!

I did my cfi ratings in my Mooney. No brakes required. On short field landings you just say “brakes” to the examiner. -Robert

Just read the entire story. As a J owner I'm happy to see her fly again. Thank you..

DId not know that interesting fact. Thanks Cliff Clavin!

Had a nice flight to Salt Lake a couple weeks ago for my niece's wedding. This is part one (the flight there) and I will get the return flight written up in the next day or two. Nice winds going there with ground speeds of 170mph+ most of the way. https://intothesky.us/2018/09/28/morning-weather-delay-corona-ca-kajo-to-salt-lake-ut-skypark-kbtf/ Haze over Lake Matthews Fuel stop in Delta Tumbleweeds growing up through the cracks in the taxiways at Delta, there were bigger ones growing up through the cracks on the sides of the runway.

The SR-22 has LOTS more room inside and with A/C its very comfortable for long trips. My plane has a 1020 lb useful load with A/C so with slightly reduced fuel I can carry 4 normal sized adults. Also the doors make getting in and out alot easier. The mooney shuffle across the front seats is fun but can be a PITB. Speed of the SR22 is slower. LOP Cruise in the SR-22 is 155-160 knots on about 11.7 Gal/hr. In the Screaming Eagle it was 170 knots on the same fuel burn. ROP there's about a 10 knot difference in real world conditions too. I'd see 180 knots ROP in the M20S and 170 knots in the SR-22. Climb is better in the eagle and that's thanks to Mooney's long corded wing. I'd see 1500 ft/min in the eagle compared to 1200 ft/min initial climb in the SR22. I will say that all these comparisons are meaningless if your spouse won't fly with you. So even though I prefer the way a Mooney feels and flies, for me the safety factor with the CAPs overwrites all of the Mooney's performance advantages. Both planes are great in their own way...just a different philosophy of design. The SR22 is a great plane and fits the bill for my family and the added safety of the CAPs over mountainous terrain and the occasional night flight are worth it. Hope that answers your questions.

Congrats! Great to hear how much you like it.

Before you spend money to have it removed, go fly one that isn't turbocharged so you have something to compare it to. Over 30 years I've had a few Mooneys. My first four were turbocharged. My fourth wasn't and it wasn't long before I sold it and got another turbocharged Mooney. Spending money to decrease your performance and capability doesn’t seem to make sense.