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May 6th Update: One year ago to there very day I found her in the hangar, I can now say the resurrection project is now 100% complete and she is airworthy once again. Thanks to a great IA who was patient along side of me, we were able to get it done in time for the good weather here on the east coast. This was such a rewarding project to bring something so magnificent back to life. Things completed to get her from taking ownership until today: Cylinder #2 was sent out for an IRAN and ended up overhauled. New mag cap, wires, & plugs. New tires, brake pads and rotors. Brake lines were flushed. Propeller overhauled. All AD's complied with. Gear fairings replaced. New W&B completed. All filters replaced. Test ran on the ground for 2 hours. New battery. New ELT. Oil changed and analysis started.

BIG thanks to all the safety pilots that volunteered to let us nuggets try to kill them and ourselves all weekend. I'm still amazed you could teach a low time pilot like me to fly like this.

The pilot door is not supposed to be opened on earlier Mooney's. Try some TriFlow on the copilot door track.

Hi Marauder, no problem- I'm a contractor working for NOAA, not in Aviation Weather, so I don't speak for them. It takes between 4 and 6 minutes for a radar to collect a complete programmed set of scans. Each radar in the country operates on its own schedule. They aren't synchronized because there are too many moving parts for that, and changing weather conditions necessitate changes in scanning pattern. If a radar near you completes its scanning program just after the FIS-B update is broadcast to your a/c, then you get to wait until the next FIS-B update for that info. That creates an additional delay on top of image compositing, the internet, etc. I don't know how they assign that age number. The maximum age one would expect would be about 8-12 minutes. I've heard that SiriusXM is making the transmission more often to minimize the amount of time that radar data spend in the hopper awaiting transmission. I guess they have the bandwidth to do that because they can transmit all those different channels of music ;-) -Fred

I only see Questions #1 & #3. Whelen LED Landing Light (Parmetheus) and Belly Strobe (red & white). My other lights still work, and will remain as long as LED prices remain stupid high. $500 for one wingtip light? YGBSM . . . .

Did you see the size of the boy and girls in the back? They were all well fed too. The CG range on the C is from 42-49", mine had an empty CG of around 45.5". The front seats are at 36-44". The size of the boys up from suggest they were further back than the 36" So I would guess 38-40 so the rear passengers could squeeze in. The rear seats are at 70" and the luggage compartment is at 93". So all that ballast in the front seats doesn't come close to off setting the weight in the back. Even being charitable on the weight of the ladies in the back I can't make the CG come into limits on my excel sheet. Granted I don't know the empty CG of that particular airplane, it had a two blade prop so would guess it would have been similar to mine. The NTSB also pointed out they used driver licenses for the occupant weights. Those are notoriously low, I know mine is. The eye witness reported airplane prematurely rotating and becoming airborne several times on the takeoff run. Sort of makes sense with an inexperienced pilot (63tt) and a heavy aft CG. With my K it would be impossible to load aft CG if I adhere to the gross weight and baggage and hat shelf limits. In fact with full fuel, my self and another 200+ lbs in the right seat, it will be out of the forward limit if there is not ballast in the rear. I think this means I need a 3 blade MT! Thanks for that 12amu idea @KSMooniac! Note: thread drift, this is a different accident than the Comanche. Cheers, Dan

The real question is are you landing LOP or RoP

The thing with the two red boots is the ammeter shunt.

Thanks Chris - now I can move on to tuning my own personal exhaust system. Should be good for a couple kts.

Glad to hear there is a solution. I was about to cut this bad boy off of this car for you.

Great pic of Bryan’s bird! Hard to recognize on a smooth hard surface! And ThinWing’s thin wing! Thanks for sharing. Great reminder too, always good to leave similar post it notes while you are gone flying... Best regards, -a-

I replaced mine because the old belly strobe died . . . Same with the Landing light, fine on preflight, dead landing 3 hours later (+1 hour time change) in WV. Wondered why I couldn't see the parallel ridgeline, turned base towards it and still nothing, realized the bulb was out. Made for an interesting landing over the trees. Had the Parmetheus before my next night flight, have only turned it off once in 4 years since then.

Thanks Peter, if thats the way than its easy. Clarence, you are right. EASA would be scared, but I'm fine since I moved my M20K to an FAA registration. This was also necessary for the avionic upgrade and the second alternator. Hendrik

She’s ready to fly!

So, as it apparently happens frequently my King AP disconnect switch went out on my KAP 150. This is not asking for help, it's been replaced, but I wanted to provide the part number that might have been used for the replacement and what the old one looked like. If I were to have ordered the replacement part from Mouser.com it would have been part number 633-MB2061SS1W01CC and it would have looked like the below(new switch on the left). (check the cap size before ordering, there is a large cap -CC and a small cap -BC, some other sites have reported the small cap, in reality it doesn't matter as you can reuse the cap) But the most telling thing is what the old one looked like when disassembled. Notice the contact for the trim power side of the switch is basically totally gone as they run way too much power through it and using it to disconnect causes an arc. So, I've now learned(about $300 too late) to never use the Yoke disconnect switch except in an emergency and just disconnect from the autopilot front panel or by engaging the manual electric trim which might also be safe for the switches, although that unit is even more expensive to replace or rebuild. Edit: and one other thing I learned is that it's a fully sealed switch, so spraying it with contact cleaner probably won't hurt to try and make it work again, but if it still doesn't work the problem still may be the switch as there's a good chance none of the cleaner actually got inside.

I put the flaps out a bit early. Probably could have made it, but gave it just a tad throttle for safety sakes. Pretty much normal landing. Just pulled the throttle randomly on a whim after threshold. and it was a pretty evening to fly.

The thin wires off the shunt go to the ammeter, I believe.

How could FAA they possibly find me PIC if i am unable to be fly because of either drinking a beer or not having my glasses on ect. . Either case would 100% of the time keep me from being PIC. I always drink a beer before my wife flies us somewhere. slam dunk, no way for me to be PIC.

I sure enjoyed the weekend and meeting some new friends! Thanks to@jasona900 for a great pic from our intro flight in the morning! Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk

12-13 years ago I had the same dilemma, living downtown and looking for hangar for my M20F. Nothing much changed except the prices want up; so are the waiting lists. I was based at KBFI (tie down by museum) and you could not find hangars there; those are just not available. KRTN: I was put on a waiting list and was number 50. after 3-4 years, I called them just for laughs and was #48. After 12 years, I'm still waiting! S43: I see you fly Acclaim; you don't want to be based there. Short, narrow runway with no approaches. They have open hangars and closed ones but it took then 1 year to return my call and offer open hangar. I'm not kidding! S50: If you live downtown, it's long commute but I believe hangars could be found. I remember, at that time, new Mooney salesmen rented a large box hangar (50x50) with not much waiting time. KPLU: in order to get there, I fly my Mooney. No-go if you live downtown/South LU. KPAE is where I'm based since 2006 with moving into hangar at 2009. Great airport with approaches and service and for 12 years I worked across the street (BA), and would fly to Jeffco for lunch. All T hangars are enclosed. I pay $310 for older one and newer are $480 ( $715 above is not correct). New hangars allow for more advanced repairs and maintenance. These units also have approximately 20-amps of individually metered power Waiting list is longer for older hangars (3y for me) and at one point newer hangars almost had no waiting list. Now? who knows! At this point a new terminal building is getting built and commercial traffic will be flying in mid 2019 (Alaska and Allegiant airlines). What will that do to prices and ramp access is your guess. Traffic got progressively worse in last 13 years but leaving downtown in the morning you are driving against the traffic - I never had issue with that working at KPAE. Coming back in the evenings can be pain even on weekends. And finally South Lake Union: in last few years there were number of high rise rentals built there and I've read that for the first time in years rental prices are going down this year. Number of those buildings close to Amazon and MS offices are empty so companies give incentives. It's still expensive, though. You are moving up at the right time of the year with great weather and scenery to boot but come October you'll have a lot of opportunity to practice your instrument approaches for real. Welcome!

Here are the J schematics by serial number http://mooney.free.fr/Manuels M20J/M20J/Mooney Service Manuel M20J Vol. 2 of 2.pdf

There's the plunger and the button(or cap). Most people just use the plunger as the button and omit the cap. In the photo the plunger is broken so it will require a whole new fancy $8 switch.

Hey Charles ,nice legs !....I probably should have picked up all the greasy blue shop towels before you took the Hangar photo...wife thinks I'm messy enough.The IA is going to do final inspection this pm than I can button everything up and get her off the jacks.Really enjoyed working with you this weekend...you asked how long a Bravo annual takes..I added up mine,yours,and Davids hours up Friday thru Sunday and it came out to be 50 man hours not including the IA and 3/4 hrs to button up.Also not included is AD/Service Bullitin research and dual Avidyne software upgrade.So a shop using 1 full time mechanic and a occasional helper ,I'd say about a week.

So it turns out my tailpipe looks different from most others because the plane had a Knisley Exhaust System (https://knisleyexhaust.com/mooney-m-20-180-hp-exhaust) installed in '98. It would not have been a direct swap to one of the straight tail pipes most folks have. It took a little time on the phone with a very helpful guy (Charlie) at Awi-ami (https://awi-ami.com/) to figure this out. They don't carry those systems anymore but referred me to Aircraftexhaust.com. They didn't have it in stock either but got one shipped from Knisley in CA for $399 plus an arm/leg for overnight shipping. Interestingly, some anecdotes on here report unadvertised speed increases and generally favorable experiences with the Knisley exhausts, which cost a bit less than even the standard exhausts.

Thank you for all of that hard effort to bring her back to life. I hope you enjoy your J as much as I have !

Depends whether your autopilot takes GS information before or after the HSI. Pictorially: A) GNS-480 >>> ^^^ Autopilot Splice >>> HSI (or GAD29B box). or GNS-480 >>> HSI >>> Autopilot In the first circumstance (A) the outputs to the autopilot are spliced off the GNS 480. There's no HSI "output" required to drive an autopilot either lateral or vertical error signals. The HSI or GAD29b just provides a pictorial depiction of the GS Nav Data to you, but the autopilot computer could care less about that pictorial Nav Data because it already has the data it needs from the splice just the same as the HSI. This is how the autopilot is supposed to be wired to the GNS-480. The Gad29b does provide a heading error output to your autopilot just like your old DG or HSI. In the second circumstance (B), you'd need to rewire the autopilot to the proper splicing (A) to get it to work with a G5 HSI. The G5 HSI with a Gad29b does not ouptut error signals for anything but heading (thus it's use as a DG / GPSS box). In terms of the data presented to you, the G5 (either HSI or AI) with the Gad29 or Gad29b will show a vertical error on GPS LPV approaches or ILS Glidslopes. Your autopilot should work the same as it does presently with a G5 HSI, King HSI, Narco HSI, Sandel, etc... The "b" in Gad29b gives it autopilot interface for heading output and thus can be a GPS roll steering box (awesome I love it workload reducing feature). The G5 won't present a flight director as an AI (software limited to the Garmin autopilots), and therefore can't replace a flight director AI such as a KI-256. However, if you need an HSI, don't buy a gyro HSI under almost any circumstance. It sounds like you are getting some bad / partial information from the shop. Long term if you want to get rid of a flight director AI and want to put a Garmin GFC 500, then the dual G5 is a good fit. If you have a flight director attitude indicator and another brand autopilot that you want to keep, then an Aspen is a better fit.

Probably want the EGT probes installed pointing somewhat backwards to maintain clearance between your cowl and the wiring from the probe and the probe itself. Otherwise easy to bump when removing or installing the cowl.

Awesome, I like seeing abandoned airplanes back in the air..... Enjoy the fruits of your labor

Thank you M20K owners; we've finally caught up and shipped all Turboplus 231 intercooler orders, along with all other aircraft models we hold intercooler STC's. A big shout out to MooneySpace, you've been a rock star in allowing us to share our photos and stories about Turboplus. We appreciate ALL the positive feedback from pilots with our intercooler system. I'm taking a much needed vacation next week, but will be back at it building inventory so we can meet your delivery schedule. Lead time is generally two weeks, but if you need it sooner we certainly don't mind working late hours and weekends to fill orders. Turboplus Aircraft Systems, located in Gig Harbor WA builds the highest quality intercooler system available for your airplane. The craftsmanship is certainly the best in the industry, just ask our 300+ M20K intercooler owners. The attached photos show the intercooler kit main components as well as the gauge reading at 10,000ft, 65% power with 170kts true airspeed. At climb, you'll be very pleased with the big drop in CHT temperatures. Jeff Shapiro, owner Turboplus Aircraft Systems, Inc. www.Turboplus.com

Hadn't seen the thread but glad it all worked out well for Eric....my situation was not nearly as dramatic and basically a single turn in the pattern....I will post what happened after hearing from the mechanic.

I use half flaps for landing. For a few reasons. It sets me up better in case of a go around and two it feels much more stable. I use 70 knots over the numbers and touch down just as my stall horn comes on. When I try that speed using full flaps I tend to ballon and float a lot more. I could not imagine what doing 80 knots with full flaps would feel like for me.

Did you asked him when he wanted you to reduce power to land? 50’ (traditional obstacle to clear) mark? over the numbers? what speed do you fly an instrument approach? I aim for 70 over the numbers, I definitely don’t fly that slow entire final.

Haven’t had a good flight to post about but this weekend was filled with good flights, friends, and working on planes. Who could ask for more:) Left home Saturday morning for Sacramento to help @thinwing with his annual and enjoy some California sunshine. My white legs had not seen sun since last September! Just under six hours of flight time round trip I put 51.2 gallons in the plane. A terrible head wind on the way there and some fun turbulence on the way back I didn’t make as good of time as I could have. But flying time is still flying time! Oh oh yeah it was the first night I had spend away from my new baby girl. But her mommy made sure I got lots and lots of pictures of them while I was gone. “Dad problems”.... I got to see a famous M20C before I left KSAC. Mr. Painter’s old plane looks like it lives there. Hope the new owner is on here.

So I swapped out my 4522 incandescent landing with LED when I did my oil change. Got up to the airport tonight to get a comparison. First off I bought the light from PilotShop.com. When I opened up the light last week I noticed an inch scratch on the front of the lens. So I emailed PS and they got a new one sent to me that day without receiving the old one. I would of had the new one two days ago but UPS miss sorted it in Portland and sent it to Bend. One thing I don't like about the light it has a plastic lens, not glass. The new one has a few small scratches on the inside. Kind of weird but I wasn't going to wait around for a third. When I had the cowling off for the oil change I took the time to clean up the dirt and grim on the landing light hole and painted it gloss white. I figured it could only help reflect the light. I was pretty happy with the way it turned out. The hanger I'm shinning the light on is 90' from the front of my plane. Stepping off the incandescent light it was about 8 paces wide, the led light was close to 20 paces. Standing in front of both lights the led was much brighter. I really couldn't be happier:) I also replaced the cover lens on the cowl from knots2U. Thanks to Rbridges for sending me to them. I probably won't be doing any night flying in the plane till I get some more hours in it, but I know my landing light will not be turning off again:) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This is what Avidyne dealers used to install the MLB100 or SkyTrax100. It was made by NavWorx. 240-0021-00-13 ADS600-B Installation Manual.pdf MLB100_Interconnect.pdf NavWorx Sample 337.pdf PermissionToUseSTC_SA11172SC.pdf Minor Change STC SA11172SC 6-19-2015.pdf Read me.pdf TransMonSPE_STCApprovalLetter.pdf NavWorx ADS600-B STC.pdf NavWorx ADS600-B AFMS.pdf 240-0013-00.pdf NavWorx ADS600-B AML.pdf 240-0017-00 Instructions Continued Airworthiness.pdf (The Skytrax100 is now discontinued. After the SkyTrax100's are gone Avidyne will use the Free Flight Ranger.) 240-0021-00-13 ADS600-B Installation Manual.pdf

Hmmm.... 231LV, Quick Question for you.... Have you seen Erik’s thread from last week? Some of what you are describing seems to be a repeat of some ideas that may have been covered here... So if you are feeling like somebody said, don’t fly that thing without knowing what is and isn’t working right... there has been some discussion you might be interested in.... It’s been going on for a few days already... PP thoughts only. Not a mechanic... Best regards, -a-

I hate to nag, but you shouldn't have taken off if it wasn't working right.

Unfortunately, yes. It seems pretty rough that the company wants to charge one $1200, to reissue the STC in a new plane's name for a unit they already (presumably) made a profit from, on the first sale. I understand they went to a lot of effort to get the STC approval, and they want to maximize their income, but it would seem to me they would be better off in the long run, to only charge a reasonable fee for inspecting to make sure the unit meets the standards. Is that $1200 number reasonable? Hard to say, but it sure seems like a lot.

How about you remove one of your seat cams and take it to a local machine shop and get a quote to have them made? Let me know what you get for a quote and if they’re less than I can get mine made for, I’ll buy them from you.

/\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ This. And/or, while you have it off, take it to a local muffler shop to weld on a patch. That'll definitely get you through your checkride while you wait on your new tailpipe. This is a pretty common place for the pipe to erode. I think there is a good chance the rest of your exhaust is probably still in pretty good shape. Maybe not another 10 years, but probably 3-5 years without an issue.

Oh, look, there is a teeny, tiny one there!! Cool! You do realize you could have had N31415, which was deregistered. Didn't think to check the 3.1416 rounded-off version, since I figured a math guy would appreciate the truncated number more (to me, it's always 3.141592654 as a decent approximation). And please, please, dear God please, NEVER post the first million digits again! Or anything that's a significant fraction thereof. I'm not totally heartless, you may express your love for Pi to as much as a single full line of text; for more than that, please visit your local Mathematical Forum rather than your friendly, local Mooney Forum

Just wanted to say thanks for all of the input from you guys. Got her back a few weeks ago. Only thing left is a couple of placards to have printed up. Here are the before and after pics.

I have a tailpipe for the 180 but in en emergency you can cut off the damaged part and still have a pipe similar to other type 180 pipe. jerryr p 4232313491

SOLD - your shock discs should be at your FBO today. https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction?tLabels=9405509699938447554513

We were shooting approaches into KBRO and got hit with a laser, we reported it to the tower and they contacted Brownsville PD. We canceled IFR and stayed in the pattern doing an extended downwind so that we would be over them on final. It was a hazy evening due to the annual fires in Mexico and the PD was able to locate them with in about 30 minutes. We made one more pass a little lower with a power change and a wing rock as we went over. As a side note, knowing that we might get hit on the other passes we were able block the right side windows with a sectional and give direction to PD via cell phone. Tower filed the report and the PD saw them pointing it at us so are part was done, they on the other hand got to sit in jail for 2 years.

Don't over look any potential intake leaks.

Advising a new owner to follow the regs is legal belittling?

Bit more of the progress today 1) fixed that static leak today. That thing is tight. Redo leak test (91.411) tomorrow. 2) made a tray for the GAD29b 3) made a video showing some of the features of the HSI Enjoy