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Those of you who have been following the chronicles of Mooney Six One Zulu already know that she suffered extensive damage to the wing back in September when my partner ran off the runway while re-positioning her away from Hurricane Irma. Nearly eight months and tens of thousands of dollars later she is back home. Work was completed by Air Services at West Georgia Regional (KCTJ) and they took very good care of her.

I just signed up. I know it's late, but we don't need to eat, we just want to see all the Mooney's.

I get a terrific boost in speed when I remember to raise the gear and flaps!

SEVERE VFR for our Innaugural West Coast Mooney Club Fly-In! There’s a hot Acclaim Ultra on the ramp and lots of warm hospitality too! Phil & Linda

Hey Chris, really enjoyed our talk.......maybe I’ll recognize you this time in Oshkosh I’d like to gently make clear that the PMA450B is completely plug and play with the PMA450 and PMA450A. What you are referring to is the wiring for the new flightmate, which is a four channel aural alert system. If the pilot wants to use this new capability then those pins would have to be wired to the appropriate devices. You are correct, we do not have a trade in program but the vast majority of our dealers do. Finally, I want thank you publicly for the video you created with your PMA450A. Amazing number of views and very well done.

Good chats. Thanks for organizing

There needs to be one place on this forum that is devoted saving each other money. The exhaust V-Band clamp part number is Lycoming 40D23255-340M which sells for $1060 (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/lycomingcouplings.php) . However the Mooney service bulletin (http://mooney.free.fr/Mooney SB SI/283a.pdf) says that the equivalent Aeroquip part number NH1009399-10 can be used. Aeroquip makes the above part for Lycoming - they are the exact same part (see picture below). Lycoming names them as their vendor on this part on this service instruction: https://www.lycoming.com/sites/default/files/Assembly and Torque Procedures for V-Band Couplings.pdf). The Aeroquip part is $539 at Aircraft Spruce (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/engineclamps.php). LASAR has it for $544 (https://lasar.com/product/turbo-v-band-clamp-nh1009399-10/) Some shops are buying the Aeroquip clamp and selling it for the Lycoming price. $500 here and $500 there adds up.

Measuring stick. Usually comes in a quantity of 12 inches. I vote pin for the seat. Look at the rails and see if they have holes that could fit in and then replace.

This is great, I’m going make profit from owning an airplane! I should have bought a few more [emoji2]

I have had dogs my entire life until the last few years, and some very good and wonderful dogs. I just have no sympathy. There is never a reason to have a dog on the tarmac not on a leash, or around a city street, or a road.

Ok CSI guys was the bug sitting on the rock or is there a separate investigation to be done ?

I have a 231. I consider the following mandatory (or plan on adding them) At the top of the list is a good engine monitor. Add one if it doesn't have one. There can be quite a range in the temperature of the cylinder heads. The factory gauge would easily let me exceed the CHT on some of the cylinders. A functional auto pilot, especially if you are going to be on a lot of longer trips. A WAAS GPS. With the range of the 231, you will have very different weather across your trip. You will want GPS approaches. Built in O2, since you will need O2 for longer flights (since it takes a while to climb to 02 altitude). My wish list is Intercooler. I don't have one, but would like one. Ive been tempted by the turbo plus offering, but I havn't been able to bring my self to spend the money Long Range tanks. It takes a long time to climb to the flight levels. Stay there as long as you can. TKS. I've run into ice in August. Its still freezing when you are in the flight levels. Too bad there is not a FIKI 231. Hot Prop. If you ever iced up a prop, you would know why you want one. Merlyn waste gate controller. Better critical altitude. Gami Injectors Audible gear warning. (Bitching Betty) And nice to have Speed Breaks. I have them, but seldom use them. They are useful if you really have to loose altitude. Has anyone mentioned you may start your descent 100+ miles out. Do the math. 200 MPH, 500 ft per min, and 20,000 feet. Sometimes the controllers make you wait until much closer. LED position and landing lights. 401 ELT with GPS. --You never know. If you make it to KGTU (Just north of Austin), I'd be happy to show you my 231.

Fewer Mooneys For Sale Definitely true...the one I just bought last month is no longer for sale. I love it!

No 3-blade prop is faster than a two blade and none of them are shorter than two blades either... These myths perpetuate them selves over and over on this forum but doesn’t make them any more factual. They may be similar in cost to buy, but they cost more to own they cost more to operate, and they cost more to overhaul, and they cost far more to ship as well. And they way more to O. think it’s used to be a clear consensus is that it looks sexier sitting on the ramp, if that you’re sort of thing but I get turned on by other things than that, such as things that add performance, not take it away

Picture looks good to me. We flew close to the same route you did. FL250, 250 KTAS on 30 GPH on the way back. I think I can get used to pressurization and the smell of Jet-A. Absolutely not fatigued. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

We kicked Jerry out of the Mooney Club when he bought one of these. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Your engine should be timed to 25 BTDC. What kind of plugs are you using? If they are Champion massives, I'd strongly suggest switching to Tempest...preferably fine wire, but if budget is a concern then their massives will be an improvement. Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk

I was going to share this on the facebook group but chose here so my friend wouldnt see it on his newsfeed. A good friend is a mechanic and pilot for a non profit organization in FL. I dont know the whole story but one of his 2 dogs was at their airport and somehow got into a running propeller. I guess that didnt end the dog but they did have to put it down shortly afterwards. My wife and i plan to fly often with our 2 dogs. This hit home for us and wanted to share a heads up and reminder to keep those with lower decision capacity in your control when you're at the airport. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

So, I just had my IFR inspection (pitot/static) and my avionics guys was like, "Hey dude, your pitot system was leaking like a sieve." My IAS was always a head scratcher. In cruise, at 12K-15K, I would never see 120IAS. Ever. So, he patches the leaks and I'm seeing 130KIAS. Which of course completely changes all the TAS calculations I've been doing. Turns out, all you guys that were questioning my shitty speeds, aka, "You seem to be going really slowly for a TN M20F..." were all spot on. Thanks Mooneyspace.

Just to let you know that my time in DC is coming to an end and I will be moving abroad again. As of August I will be based in El Salvador, covering Salvador and Costa Rica. Obviously I am taking my Mooney and so you will get again more videos from those nice locations. Oscar Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

What an amazing turnout! Everyone was awesome! If I didn't say hi, sorry! There were so many people there! A really beautiful day!

Mine was an E parked at the tiedowns, because my parking brake was inoperative. Everyone else parked in a flight line alongside the restaurant. You can just make out Paul's 252 in the picture. Some didn't even bother choking, just set the parking brake. I should really get it fixed.

Bryan, thanks for starting this thread, and for the follow-up pics and discussion. As a prospective new turbo Mooney buyer, I'm REAL interested in some of the pitfalls one has to be looking out for. It's threads like this that drew me to this discussion board to start with, and I plan on staying for a good while.

Glad you got that fixed. I had the same issue and was told they fixed leaks. My airspeed improved too, but I have not had a chance to check it at altitude.

Well, wait until you find the switch for the flux capacitor, then see what happens. You will have to be really nice to the guys on here who know where that is, it just takes awhile for them to get to know you and trust you enough.

HUDs are cool, but some of the GA implementations are real head-scratchers to me. It's as if in pursuit of the HUD concept, developers forget you actually still need to look out the window to see "real" reality. Look at this thing I saw pop up on AvWeb today: https://epicoptix.com/blog/2017/07/video-head-up-display-for-light-ga-epic-optix-hud/ It's a gargantuan monstrosity. In the video on that page, the guy flying the demo not only has the HUD unit, but also two GoPros, a Garmin portable, some sort of antenna, and some other gizmo, all on the glareshield or windshield. I'm surprised he could taxi to the runway without hitting anything...

Id push as hard as I could just to get the prop repaired or replaced without a tear down, unless you want a insurance paid IRAN done on your engine. It’s a joke that this ding could cause engine damage as a result of the impact, but I do know how the directives are written. I’d try to avoid it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

I am very sorry to hear of this dogs demise. I am sure that the kind hearted pilot who was trying to help the dog to a home feels terrible about it. I am sure that cnoe on this forum will take extra care after reading this. He and his wife have one or two dogs that fly everywhere with them and they are obviously quite attached to them. I have seen a picture of one of cnoe’s dogs and it is a really beautiful animal. Having met him, I am quite sure that he takes all precautions. I expect that dogs that are around aviation all the time, like cnoe’s dogs, are not only accustomed to the surroundings of the airport, but also are mature animals with much knowledge about their world. It would stand to reason that a pup that had never been to an airport to be taught about it’s environment, would be much more prone to have such a problem.

I went with Bob and don’t have the negatives as mentioned by Tom although I don’t go for the static shows and feel most don’t. The vendor sections are on par with Osh, I always drive in to both events time in traffic is drastically less at SNF, so I don’t think the traffic SUCKED, signage is poor but if you know where your going no problem. I thought the food was worse at SNF but I’m a little finicky. I thought parking and distance in the lots was less obviously a much smaller event. Airshows were good. I didn’t notice a poor attitude amongst them. The appeal to me is getting out of the winter cold, being around aviators and the excitement of the avaition crowd. I felt less the density of fewer people was great, moving around and finding things and people were vastly easier than at O. Its a totally different atmosphere kinda laid back IMO not O, didn’t expect it to be but enjoyed it immensely. Not living among other aviators plus our airport is in desperate need of hanger flyers makes the environment exciting. I enjoyed it as much. Just another opinion

I asked at Sun N Fun: they're targeting $6K install costs in a 172. Hope that helps! Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

6.58$/gal. Can be had for a third less just a few miles away. Such as 1J0. We landed and topped off here on our trip from DC to Houston a couple years ago for the same reason.

Count me in +1 for KRBD! Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk

No sales tax on aircraft stuff in KS too. Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk

I have had some limitation of movement on the pilot side so since she is 40 years old I ordered and replaced the seat rollers with a set of new ones from LASAR. Evidently the previous owner had a hangar fairy who replaced them because these don't look all that bad. Looks like one was rubbing on the carpet and was stuck, but was free when we removed it. Oh and the holes in the seat rail were not bad, but now they are completely free of dirt and debris.

Nope! Still in the area...but I was able to fly around and come in behind one. Nice crosswind practice at both ends, too. Sent from my LG-US996 using Tapatalk

“Because I was inverted.”

Uh Phil ..do you think that is a good idea?

These guys are on the other side of Ohio in New Philadelphia. http://www.proavaircraft.com They maintained my 252 for over ten years and did the final annual on it before I bought it. I spent quite a bit of time with them regarding the 252 I was purchasing and was satisfied they know Mooneys. Eric is the proprietor and if you go, tell him I sent you. He won't remember me, but will remember N252AD.

I find my 252 works exactly the same way as my M20C did. Once on downwind, just look out the window and do what's required to put it down gently in the first 500 ft. of runway. I have no idea the MP, RPM, airspeed, anything. I just look out the window at the runway and go land. The only thing that I do every time is extend the gear. Everything else is as required for conditions. **I do have a copy of Don's video and have watched it more than a few times.

And yes, this is a forever plane

I think LOP climbs can be a significant fuel saver down low say up to 12k feet or so. Above that it becomes a stretch because climb rates become lower. Looking at it another way, climb rates < 10k or so are high so time spent in climb is less. Ff is high but for less time. It would be interesting to have some figures and compare to see any savings. I climb my NA Mooney ROP and enjoy every minute of it!

I’m heading down tomorrow morning. Looking forward to warm weather and lots of plane talk.

I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of that! That may be more than you see together at OSH.

I have a bit of a different attitude. Mine is in an LLC for identity protection. For instance, if someone backs out in front of me in a parking lot and I hit them in my 20 year old car and they get a lawyer, I don't want a cursory google search of my name revealing that I own an airplane. While those of us with old airplanes know what an expense and stretch the ownership is for us, to most people, owning an airplane makes you somehow wealthy.

Don't tell me you lost again? You have a nice GPS???

Yes there is. My wife fell in love with the production concept at the LA Auto Show and bought one of the first ones in California. I never cared much for it as I am a car guy. I always called it the "Lumber Wagon". Years later my wife had to have spinal surgery (not due to the FJ) and afterward her doctor told her to get something squishier to drive, so she traded it for a Lexus RX-350. I now call that the "Lumbar Wagon".

There needs to be one place on this forum that is devoted saving each other money. The exhaust V-Band clamp part number that Don refers to is Lycoming 40D23255-340M which sells for $1060 (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/lycomingcouplings.php) . However the Mooney service bulletin (http://mooney.free.fr/Mooney SB SI/283a.pdf) says that the equivalent Aeroquip part number NH1009399-10 can be used. Aeroquip makes the above part for Lycoming - they are the exact same part (see picture below). Lycoming names them as their vendor on this part on this service instruction: https://www.lycoming.com/sites/default/files/Assembly and Torque Procedures for V-Band Couplings.pdf). The Aeroquip part is $539 at Aircraft Spruce (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/engineclamps.php). LASAR has it for $544 (https://lasar.com/product/turbo-v-band-clamp-nh1009399-10/) Some shops are buying the Aeroquip clamp and selling it for the Lycoming price. $500 here and $500 there adds up.

The Mooney movable stabilator is a bigger surface than the elevator thus has more power to bring the nose up at low speed than the elevator. Using the trim keeps the joke from rubbing on my belly during flare. I found that on Mooneys with the Missile or Rocket conversion it helps to trim up on the flare. José

Glad your fine and hope you can get back into the cockpit asap. Check with with Greg at Advanced Aircraft Troutdale, OR. They are an MSC that people speak highly of. Also I know LASAR has picked up and ferried many gear up Mooney's for repair as well. So they are worth talking to as well.