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Hi Everyone I'm Joe with Hawk Aircraft in Tampa Fl I'm on mooney space now ill be checking in from time to time if anyone has any questions with paint I will do my best to help.thanks you Guys that have all ready Hawked LOL talking good about me Merry Chrismas

Wow! For only 45% more fuel, you can carry larger, lighter people and baggage 13% faster than my C! But the bigger cabin would occasionally be nice . . . Anthony says that with the 310hp upgrade, the takeoff roll goes from much longer than mine to a little shorter, too. Sorry, I gotta stir the pot sometimes! Nice machines ya'll have here.

I'll be glad when we're through screwing around with all these Fs so that we can move on to important models.

This past week our FBO Manager sent a morning email notifying all of the local pilots that our local CFI was involved in a fatal single car accident. He was the CFI that got me back in the saddle 8 years ago after a long 20+ year layoff from flying. Duane Patterson was 78 years old and kept most everyone in the local area up to speed and current. He was going to be my "go to" CFI to start my IFR right after the upcoming holidays. His health had been going down hill over the past few years and was limited to flight review currency check rides or working with guys that already had PPL. It appears he had a heart-attack or seizure of some sort while driving and veered off the road resulting in a severe head injury ending in a fatality. While it saddens our local pilot community, we can only look at the other side and be thankful that it did not occur while he was in the air and the end result being much more tragic. I have really been working on my IFR ground prep and ready to start air work after the first of the year..He would have been my CFI for my next venture in flying. Duane had been a CFI in west Tn for a long time. I think there may have been a few guys on MS that knew him.. Just thought I pass on the information. He was a character...One of those old crusty, grouchy CFIs that you learned to like only after you got to know him.. I remember just shortly after I met him and while getting my Mooney dual with him we were landing one time. I was in transition and still learning the feel for the landings. I landed pretty hard and for some reason I let the pressure off the nose early and we kind of "plopped" down hard on the runway. After I got stopped he tipped his head down and looked at me eye to eye over his old man glasses and in a grouchy old tone with a seriously agitated voice said, "What hell did you do that for?" , I thought who is this guy yelling at me. I wanted to say...get the heck out my airplane..lol As time moved on he became a good friend and my CFI. Some people you just need time to get to know..He was one of those folks. RIP Duane. -Tom

I sure would like to get PS engineering involved with the Mooney Summit, Mark. Just imagine your company being listed here with these other industry leaders https://www.mooneysummit.com/sponsors/ I know you have told me your just a small company, so now is your chance to really step up and grow it! A donation of a PMA450A for our silent auction would also go to help a downed Mooney pilots' family.

Hi Dan and Maurader. Thanks for remembering that I actually have an airplane...I am beginning to forget myself! So the paint job is 100% done for like 3 weeks and then it was being annualed while also putting it back together since it was a complete disassemble style paint job. Well there is a smallest of parts that needs to be replaced - the darn it should have arrived already and still did not arrive as of yesterday. :-? I think its the Christmas season that's messing me up. Its supposed to be in the mail vs back ordered or anything. Anyway.....No one is working now until Wednesday. So for all appearances it looks like week after next I get it back since this holiday season is in the way - bah humbug! :-). Yeah I'm quite frustrated at all the delays that are one after the other and most of them had nothing to do with the shop or the airplane itself but mostly the infrastructure of the construction project at the airport. I have seen it in person (in partial stages) and for my tastes, it is the prettiest color I have ever seen on an airplane. A very very unusual substance was added to the paint that really makes it pop. I have told working colleagues whom I need to visit both at U Delaware and also at Princeton U that I will come "soon" and I keep delaying since I don't want to drive. And Crabs!!! But wait - if I come in Jan there are no crabs this time of year are there? No local crabs - the crabs they have are shipped from Louisiana or something if I remember right (I grew up in MD). Local crabs start in April I think. So she's blue, now, and I changed the tail number, and just this very moment I changed my signature block so it no longer says N10933 but it says N314EB. I have tons of pictures of the paint in progress and now all but done but I was waiting for the big reveal to show them. Or I could tease them out already.....

Yeah Dan! Where is it? He talked about coming down for some mid Atlantic crabs but it looks like he is staying with the lobsters. I want to see this paint job! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

KEDE, Edenton, NC, is a charming historic town, smack dab in the middle of nowhere. Charming B&Bs, some decent restaurants, tours of historic house museums. Good for a couple of tranquil days or a lifetime. (I wouldn’t recommend much between those. Not for thrill seekers and the party crowd.) No ramp fee, decent fuel prices, hangar space available. Crew car and Enterprise. Garden tour in late April will be worth the trip. OBX an hour away by car. Manteo (MQI) is a fine weekend, much touristy stuff, very near Outer Banks. Cute NC aquarium short stroll from MQI ramp.

I couldn't tell from his post. I am not near knowledgeable enough to recognize it from the model number. (Even if I had seen it before; I can barely remember my middle name.)

Thanks for sharing how fast you guys are actually flying. Controllers usually will advise me ‘fast movers’ or ‘military in excess 250kts’. I didn’t know it was 300 minimum. In any case, and semantics aside, the speeds you mentioned don’t allow much time to see and avoid, which is why I am always IFR or Vfr with flight following. But, that training route goes nearly right over that airfield in SC. It would have been easy to have taken off, and right after making a last call on ctaf, look down at the radio to switch over to approach frequency and get knocked out of the sky. I listened to the tape of the controller tell him to turn several times urgently and he didn’t comply until 30? seconds or so later just before impact. IMHO, it was the lack of immediate compliance of repeated ATC instructions and lack of see and avoid that the father and son died while poking along at 70kts. Anyway, I just meant to say with my previous post that flying anywhere near training routes can be as hazardous as MOAs.

Hey! That’s 90% done and 30% to go!

I washed the belly. It was so reflective that’s me laying on a creeper.

I sent my Dad the December 2016 Aviation Consumer article on the Mooney 201 M20J. I bought a M20J last year and it reminds my Dad of his first airplane. He wrote me this email today: GREAT ARTICLE ABOUT A GREAT AIRPLANE - NOTHING SO FAST ON SO LITTLE FUEL ON 200HP! N5785Q was owned privately and billed 15 cents per mile when on business. (It was his personal plane but he used it for business and billed the business 15 cents per mile.) Answering your question: - It was a 1965 M20E bought for $10,205.70 on January 31st 1969, with 600 hours, Electric gear, 200HP, power boost, 52 gallons, Gross WT. 2575lbs, FLOWN LONG RANGE MOSTLY AT 10,000ft., 2,300RPM, 21"MP, 10.3GPH, 63%PWR, RANGE: 5.00 hours over 766nm no reserve, at 152kts airspeed. HIGH SPEED CRUISE – Gross WT. 2575lbs 5,000ft, 2,400RPM, 25"MP, 12.2GPH, 77%PWR, RANGE: 4.27 hours over 676nm no reserve, at 158kts airspeed. _______________ He eventually sold it and moved onto a Cessna 310 twin in the early to mid 70's which is the first airplane I can remember as a child. I can't remember the Mooney. When I got this email I looked it up and I see that greg51 is the current owner of my Dad's first plane. Cool to see that the plane is still around and being flown to this day. My Dad is 73 and still flying. Here is a photo of N5785Q when he owned it:

This came from the M20J magneto thread. And did not want to derail the conversation further. The poll itself is anonymous but responses are encouraged if you like.

One of the best Mooney paint jobs I have seen. I was going to copy it before selling the J. Russ

Chase, When you get a chance... please add your name in the signature line... Mark, Last time I visited the Summit, I needed a transponder... got one while there, (used, traded with other visitor) Next time I’ll probably be looking for an audio panel... Currently replacing 90s BK boxes one at a time, annually... The Summit is a great place to show and technically discuss Mooney related products. Especially if It is as simple as swapping out a box... This year there was some really cool wingtips with LED lights in them and a spectacular Mooney cowling improvement...on display and openly discussed by the always appreciated technical people. Best regards, -a-

Mike, While I can't speak to Mark's involvement, we at Avionics Source would love to take part and become a sponsor. Can you please shoot me an email? Chase@avionicssource dot com. We'll see what we can come up with to support your great cause! Chase

Bummer... can't see the results without partaking in the voting... Its an interesting question to people without the Dual Magneto. Since the wear parts are generally the same. The mechanical drive and mounting parts, that are unique, don't get serviced often do they? I like Jim's abbreviation... SME... Subject Matter Expert (pharma industry lingo) -or- Single Mag Expert Best regards, -a-

If you have any questions you can email me at gallagheraviationllc@gmail.com. You can send a picture of the bottom of your fuel cap just to confirm. James

What might have turned out to be the best possible Mooney ever - would be if they had put the TSIO-360-SB in the Eagle. It was already lighter than the Ovation due to fewer options. Close to 252 efficiency with the longer body.

Bob, count on 3 months. Joe will say 2, but he is just simply busy. I tried to keep the end goal in mind. I wanted Best job I could afford. A little extra time was worth it. He will always answer the phone and he will send you pictures along the way. Wait till you see your plane with all new hardware and fresh paint it is amazing!

I know what you mean. David really wants to build a J version. [emoji23] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

Yep, 200-1/2. The only thing missing is dark night and driving rain/spitting snow. Safely down and on the ramp is a relief but the feeling of accomplishment/competence is very satisfying.

Just be sire to replace that special 3$ breaker point cam screw every time you back it off to adjust the cam. If it backs out, the cam comes loose, the mag quits. The E-gap was off quite a few degrees and I went through 3 or 4 of them when I did the 500-hr mag inspection last annual.

Erik did you finally get the green beast back yet. Dan

Gastons White River Resort (3M0) Strip at the Resort, Cabins, Restaurant, Hicking, Giftshop, Ect. Great getaway, no need for a Car. Love it

It is really not a great idea to overhaul/IRAN both at the same time. Have one done, and wait as long as you dare (preferably 250 hours) and have the other one done. From then on, have each one IRANed every 500 hours.

I have to agree, but I really love clouds even though they often ruin my <flying> day. The most incredibly beautiful clouds that I ever encountered were shorty after I bought my Mooney and found myself caught in rapidly deteriorating weather over Florida. I was outrunning a thunderstorm and passing a wall of clouds where flashes of lightning inside them seemed to beckon me to fly closer for a better look. I resisted, but will never forget the majesty of those formations. I've looked at clouds from both sides now and have absolutely no illusions about them.

Vandenburg AFB just north west of Santa Barbara. Shot was facing maybe 250° 9mi west of Van Nuys. It was really neat!! -Matt

I see 180 kts true ROP 13.8 gph religiously... Drop 5 kts LOP

There's nothing quite like an Instrument rating to take the training wheels off the Mooney. This was a landing in KOKC on Wednesday. It was a non-event. The 252 was on rails all the way to the ground and rolled it on a smoothly as I ever have. If you own a Mooney, the IA rating is the best upgrade you can buy.

Not trying to resurrect an old thread, just wanted to note that when I went to the junkyard for headsets, every Toyota or Mazda I found had the correct headrests. You are looking for 3/8" posts on 6" centers.

Thanks for the shout out for my friend Gary Jensen who owns the Switzerland Inn on the Blue Ridge Parkway near Spruce Pines NC. The Inn is great but it closes right after Thanksgiving every year until Spring. https://switzerlandinn.com/

@mooneygirl finished her IR recently. Most of her training in busy SoCal was in her '65E which has a Johnson Bar Gear and no autopilot nor a certified GPS. (She had to do part of her work in a fixed gear C182 but I'd bet she much preferred the Mooney as an instrument platform JBGear and all. If swinging the gear is much of an issue I suppose you need more practice or your plane needs adjustment.

If you’re at DA / MDA and going missed — focus on power, pitch and getting a positive rate. Leave the gear down. Fly Vx of 80 mph in the C. Follow the MAP. At a safe altitude pull up the gear. At 200’ above the ground a destabilizing action (levering the J bar) is not smart, and is not necessary: The C climbs ok at 80 mph gear down or up. That’s what I did in my two J bar Mooneys: P-P-P. Power, Pitch, Positive rate.

Without names and/or tail numbers, I don't buy that story. Sorry, but I've been viewing Hawk paint jobs for twenty years, have spoken to 100's of owners and have never heard of one such complaint. However, I have heard and read of ArtCarved issues right here on MS. Hopefully they were just growing pains. You pays your $$, you takes your chances....

Thanks Mike. I think it would be best to keep the Summit's equipment on site in Panama City. One less thing to worry about in preparation for the Summits. I'll get in touch will Calen and remind him of the mix up. I'm assuming it's a built in Guardian detector that interfaces with the G1000NXI? Don't forget the Guardian Avionics is also offering a 20% discount. Code: coaware Maybe that code will work with a new Acclaim?

Off topic, and just as an aside, the F15 actually has both mechanical and fly by wire. If the stick gets jammed, you can still fly it by applying pressure to the stick. If the electrics die, you can still fly by moving the stick. I've been told that the fly by wire is quicker so that is what usually moves the controls. Agreed though that fighters often use different control inputs to exit a spin.

I had mine clipped to my shoulder belt in the middle of my chest. I both felt the vibration and heard the tones when it alerted, even through my Bose A20s and the jacket I was wearing. Velcroed to the panel is probably optimum if you have the space as the flashing red lights should get your attention quickly. Cheers, Rick

While its a bit of a way to come from WA (you wouldn't be the first, however), it is another reason to come to the Mooney SUmmit, we have purchased a calibration kit from Sensorcon and offer free calibration to our attendees. Just another deliverable.... EDIT OPPS, I see this has already been answered

Still good. I stopped in last month. cheers, Dan

As I understand it, after two years without calibration you will get an EOL warning at start up and then the unit will function normally. Without calibration they can wander in accuracy up to 10% every 6 months. Anthony is correct. The Summit purchased calibration equipment. Free calibrations when you attend Mooney Summit VI. One of the many benefits to attending. I’m thinking about bringing calibration equipment to Airventure 2018, for at least part of the week. Cheers, Dan

I have the Fly Q app. I had to call about some billing the other day and they gave me a new heads-up about new stuff coming out in Jan/Feb and it will be included in the Fly Q subscription. Not sure if this is more useful or novelty, but looks pretty cool. FlyQ Insight. Fire-up FlyQ InSight on your iPhone or iPad and point it outside the window. Turn left, turn right. No matter where you aim, InSight shows the airports in that area. Blue airports have towers, magenta airports don't. The distance to each airport is shown below the ident. If the the airport is fairly close, a 'stick' extends from the marker showing to more clearly show where it is. If further away, InSight shows just the ident. Airports even further away, begin to fade out. Tap the shutter button (circle in the middle of the screen), to take a quick picture. Use the Photos tab to browse your photos and, with a click, post to Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter. Tap an airport marker and see the details including runways, diagrams, weather, and fuel prices.

Given the choice between the Ovation and the Eagle I'd choose the Ovation every time. The Ovation came with more standard features, including a fully coupled autopilot (the Eagle came with an STEC 30), usually leather interior, better equipped panel, two or three color paint scheme, etc. The standard IO-550 on the Eagle was only rated at 244hp before any STC mods. The Ovation came standard at 280hp. Both can be upgraded to as much as 310hp, but it's usually going to be more expensive on the Eagle since some Ovations already came with the Top Prop needed for the upgrade. Standard fuel on an Eagle was 75 gallons, on an Ovation 89 gallons. No electric rudder trim. Speed brakes were optional on the Eagle. The yokes were painted rather than leather covered. The first year Eagles came standard with one Nav Com and a King GPS. Trying to bring an Eagle up to an Ovation will be more expensive than just buying an Ovation, all things being equal. A huge consideration is the Moritz gauges that were on all Eagles and Ovations starting in mid '99. The gauges start failing one at a time and the only real solution is to cut a new panel and put in a JPI-900 or JPI930 or MVP-50. If someone has done that already on an airplane for sale, so much the better. If not, it's eventually going to need it. When you start cutting a new panel that's when you start thinking about doing some other things at the same time and $40,000 goes very fast on that type of project. Usually the least expensive way to do it in the long run is just to pay a fair price for the best example out there and fly it.

If you had on of those "fancy engine monitors" you'd have solved the issue by now. I don't understand people who think "fancy engine monitors" are a extravagance. I had an issue today with my 252. My EDM900 diagnosed the issue immediately and accurately. I'll write it up and post pictures tomorrow.

Well, it's only 52 years old. I've got shoes older than that.

Heck y'all less than 2 hours apart. You need to coordinate and let dad see his old flame am fly her again.

I recall seeing the threads about Toyota headrests, seems it was from an SUV, just don't recall which one. Like you, Oliver, I used to get headaches after 2-3 hours in the air. Moved my old FlightComm headset to passenger use and bought Halos, and voila! My flying headaches went away. Mysteriously coincident with restarting flight lessons at age 43, my migraine headaches went away, too. Flying is good for me! So it my be your clamp-o-matic headset (my apologies to Gallagher) and not the seatback. My Halo headset weighs, I think, 3 ounces, and even after six years they work great, haven't been damaged, and I still sometimes forget I'm wearing them and try to get out of the plane.

If I didn't have headrests I'd put them in ASAP as a safety issue. In a crash after hitting the shoulder belt, I don't want my head to be able to snap over backwards :-o Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk